[arm-allstar] Link to a node for x minutes then disconnect

Tony Ross ynotssor at yahoo.com
Thu Apr 5 21:36:47 EST 2018 

One can always just get outside, feel the air and look skyward. <grin>

On 04/04/2018 08:41 AM, "Doug Crompton via arm-allstar" wrote:
> Stephen,
>
>   Well there really is no debate as by the rules you cannot rebroadcast
> their transmissions. This is why we have looked for alternatives over the
> years since the ruling. You could for instance use TTS to convert a weather
> forecast from the NWS and we have played with that but the bottom line is
> today there are so many alternative ways to receive this information it is
> really not worth the effort to try and do it over amateur radio. We do have
> the Autosky program for alerts and there are some rudimentary weather
> scripts distributed in our code now that talk weather conditions.
>
> That aside automating other things you want to do with a script would be
> possible.
>
>
> *73 Doug*
>
> *WA3DSP*
>
> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 11:27 AM, "Stephen - K1LNX via arm-allstar" <
> arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks all, my intent was not to start a debate on this topic, but rather
>> to solve a technical challenge. I do however have a misunderstanding of
>> 97.113 c:
>>
>> (c) No station shall retransmit programs or signals emanating from any type
>>> of radio station other than an amateur station
>>> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=
>> 840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=8316e1efbe4ab2409028952c23f115
>> a7&term_occur=8&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:
>> D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.113>,
>>> except propagation and weather forecast information intended for use by
>> the
>>> general public and originated from United States
>>> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=
>> 840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=974fe48061e86e76cd884bfb06a1dc
>> a5&term_occur=1&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:
>> D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.113>
>>>   Government stations, and communications, including incidental music,
>>> originating on UnitedStates
>>> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=
>> 840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=974fe48061e86e76cd884bfb06a1dc
>> a5&term_occur=2&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:
>> D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.113>
>>>   Government frequencies between a manned spacecraft
>>> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=
>> 840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=bf5a40d87fcf67bc3ddcc58084bb7c
>> 56&term_occur=1&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:
>> D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.113>
>>>   and its associated Earth stations. Prior approval for manned spacecraft
>>> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=
>> 840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=bf5a40d87fcf67bc3ddcc58084bb7c
>> 56&term_occur=2&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:
>> D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.113>
>>>   communications retransmissions must be obtained from the National
>>> Aeronautics and Space Administration. Such retransmissions must be for
>> the
>>> exclusive use of amateur radio operators. Propagation, weather forecasts,
>>> and manned spacecraft
>>> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=
>> 840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=bf5a40d87fcf67bc3ddcc58084bb7c
>> 56&term_occur=3&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:
>> D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.113>
>>>   communications retransmissions may not be conducted on a regular basis,
>>> but only occasionally, as an incident of normal amateur radio
>>> communications.
>>>
>> "except propagation and weather forecast information intended for use by
>> the general public and originated from United States Government stations"
>> is the verbage I believe that allows this to be permissible under the
>> rules?
>>
>> I'm not refuting this one way or the other, but I would like to hear some
>> opinions on the matter. Doug and/or Dave, if this is not permissible
>> discussion then we can end it here as I don't want it to do turn into a
>> raging debate, that is not my intent.
>>
>> 73
>> Stephen
>> K1LNX
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 11:17 AM, "David McGough via arm-allstar" <
>> arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> Nope, Doug IS CORRECT about NOAA retransmission.
>>>
>>> This topic has been discussed previously, but, note that the
>>> repeater-builder page is OUT OF DATE. Part 97.113(e) was removed from the
>>> FCC Rules several years ago. See the updated rules at the website, below.
>>>
>>> Basically, the updated rules closed the loophole for Amateur
>>> retransmission of NOAA broadcasts. Period. I've already gotten two legal
>>> opinions about this, one coming from the ARRL General Counsel.
>>>
>>> https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/97.113
>>>
>>> 73, David KB4FXC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 4 Apr 2018, "Jay Urish via arm-allstar" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Small topic hijack.
>>>>
>>>> Doug, You are incorrect.
>>>>
>>>> copied from - http://www.repeater-builder.com/tech-info/weather-radios
>> .
>>> html
>>>> see section -- Weather Receiver Rebroadcasts and the Legal Questions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As to what can be rebroadcast, Dan directed me to Part 97.113(e) which
>>>> reads:
>>>>
>>>>      "No station shall retransmit programs or signals emanating from any
>>>>      type of radio station other than an amateur station, except
>>>>      propagation and weather forecast information intended for use by
>> the
>>>>      general public and originated from United States Government
>> stations
>>>>      and communications, including incidental music, originating on
>>>>      United States Government frequencies between a space shuttle and
>> its
>>>>      associated Earth stations."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 04/04/2018 09:57 AM, "Doug Crompton via arm-allstar" wrote:
>>>>> Stephen,
>>>>>
>>>>>      It is not legal to rebroadcast NOAA weather on amateur radio.
>> That
>>> rule
>>>>> has been in existence for quite some time. Otherwise what you want to
>>> do
>>>>> could probably be accomplished through a script timing the various
>>>>> scenarios.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *73 Doug*
>>>>>
>>>>> *WA3DSP*
>>>>>
>>>>> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 10:00 AM, "Stephen - K1LNX via arm-allstar" <
>>>>> arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Before I potentially re-invent the wheel, I wondered if something
>>> like this
>>>>>> exists in the app_rpt code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a dedicated channelized remote base node and steer it with
>> the
>>> BCD
>>>>>> control script. I put our local NOAA weather radio in one of the
>>> channels,
>>>>>> and would like the ability to call it up "on-command" for audio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ideally, I'd like to call a function that will:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - change channels to my pre-defined WX channel in the CDM radio via
>>> the BCD
>>>>>> script
>>>>>> - Playback audio for 2-3 minutes
>>>>>> - change back to my "default" channel after the timer has elapsed
>> and
>>>>>> disconnect
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless I've missed it, I don't see a function in app_rpt to
>>> facilitate this
>>>>>> behavior? So that left me thinking of options, and I am looking to
>>> see if
>>>>>> anyone has any other ideas:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - use my controller (SCOM 7330) to send a DTMF command to call a
>>> script,
>>>>>> run on a timer, then send another DTMF command to disconnect it
>> (this
>>> would
>>>>>> be easiest, but my preferred use to call scripts and functions is to
>>> use
>>>>>> MDC instead which the SCOM does not support)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - write a shell or python script to handle this
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - hack something together in the dialplan, I think I might be able
>> to
>>>>>> leverage the autopatch function for this, but haven't looked into it
>>> yet.
>>>>>> Looking for ideas if anyone has any, and perhaps I'm overthinking
>> this
>>>>>> which I'm known to do on occasion ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73
>>>>>> Stephen
>>>>>> K1LNX
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