[arm-allstar] Link to a node for x minutes then disconnect

Wed Apr 4 10:41:42 EST 2018

Stephen,

 Well there really is no debate as by the rules you cannot rebroadcast
their transmissions. This is why we have looked for alternatives over the
years since the ruling. You could for instance use TTS to convert a weather
forecast from the NWS and we have played with that but the bottom line is
today there are so many alternative ways to receive this information it is
really not worth the effort to try and do it over amateur radio. We do have
the Autosky program for alerts and there are some rudimentary weather
scripts distributed in our code now that talk weather conditions.

That aside automating other things you want to do with a script would be
possible.

*73 Doug*

*WA3DSP*

*http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 11:27 AM, "Stephen - K1LNX via arm-allstar" <
arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:

> Thanks all, my intent was not to start a debate on this topic, but rather
> to solve a technical challenge. I do however have a misunderstanding of
> 97.113 c:
>
> (c) No station shall retransmit programs or signals emanating from any type
> > of radio station other than an amateur station
> > <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=
> 840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=8316e1efbe4ab2409028952c23f115
> a7&term_occur=8&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:
> D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.113>,
> > except propagation and weather forecast information intended for use by
> the
> > general public and originated from United States
> > <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=
> 840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=974fe48061e86e76cd884bfb06a1dc
> a5&term_occur=1&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:
> D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.113>
> >  Government stations, and communications, including incidental music,
> > originating on UnitedStates
> > <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=
> 840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=974fe48061e86e76cd884bfb06a1dc
> a5&term_occur=2&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:
> D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.113>
> >  Government frequencies between a manned spacecraft
> > <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=
> 840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=bf5a40d87fcf67bc3ddcc58084bb7c
> 56&term_occur=1&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:
> D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.113>
> >  and its associated Earth stations. Prior approval for manned spacecraft
> > <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=
> 840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=bf5a40d87fcf67bc3ddcc58084bb7c
> 56&term_occur=2&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:
> D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.113>
> >  communications retransmissions must be obtained from the National
> > Aeronautics and Space Administration. Such retransmissions must be for
> the
> > exclusive use of amateur radio operators. Propagation, weather forecasts,
> > and manned spacecraft
> > <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=
> 840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=bf5a40d87fcf67bc3ddcc58084bb7c
> 56&term_occur=3&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:
> D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.113>
> >  communications retransmissions may not be conducted on a regular basis,
> > but only occasionally, as an incident of normal amateur radio
> > communications.
> >
>
> "except propagation and weather forecast information intended for use by
> the general public and originated from United States Government stations"
> is the verbage I believe that allows this to be permissible under the
> rules?
>
> I'm not refuting this one way or the other, but I would like to hear some
> opinions on the matter. Doug and/or Dave, if this is not permissible
> discussion then we can end it here as I don't want it to do turn into a
> raging debate, that is not my intent.
>
> 73
> Stephen
> K1LNX
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 11:17 AM, "David McGough via arm-allstar" <
> arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > Nope, Doug IS CORRECT about NOAA retransmission.
> >
> > This topic has been discussed previously, but, note that the
> > repeater-builder page is OUT OF DATE. Part 97.113(e) was removed from the
> > FCC Rules several years ago. See the updated rules at the website, below.
> >
> > Basically, the updated rules closed the loophole for Amateur
> > retransmission of NOAA broadcasts. Period. I've already gotten two legal
> > opinions about this, one coming from the ARRL General Counsel.
> >
> > https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/97.113
> >
> > 73, David KB4FXC
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 4 Apr 2018, "Jay Urish via arm-allstar" wrote:
> >
> > > Small topic hijack.
> > >
> > > Doug, You are incorrect.
> > >
> > > copied from - http://www.repeater-builder.com/tech-info/weather-radios
> .
> > html
> > >
> > > see section -- Weather Receiver Rebroadcasts and the Legal Questions
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As to what can be rebroadcast, Dan directed me to Part 97.113(e) which
> > > reads:
> > >
> > >     "No station shall retransmit programs or signals emanating from any
> > >     type of radio station other than an amateur station, except
> > >     propagation and weather forecast information intended for use by
> the
> > >     general public and originated from United States Government
> stations
> > >     and communications, including incidental music, originating on
> > >     United States Government frequencies between a space shuttle and
> its
> > >     associated Earth stations."
> > >
> > >
> > > On 04/04/2018 09:57 AM, "Doug Crompton via arm-allstar" wrote:
> > > > Stephen,
> > > >
> > > >     It is not legal to rebroadcast NOAA weather on amateur radio.
> That
> > rule
> > > > has been in existence for quite some time. Otherwise what you want to
> > do
> > > > could probably be accomplished through a script timing the various
> > > > scenarios.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *73 Doug*
> > > >
> > > > *WA3DSP*
> > > >
> > > > *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
> >*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 10:00 AM, "Stephen - K1LNX via arm-allstar" <
> > > > arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Before I potentially re-invent the wheel, I wondered if something
> > like this
> > > >> exists in the app_rpt code.
> > > >>
> > > >> I have a dedicated channelized remote base node and steer it with
> the
> > BCD
> > > >> control script. I put our local NOAA weather radio in one of the
> > channels,
> > > >> and would like the ability to call it up "on-command" for audio.
> > > >>
> > > >> Ideally, I'd like to call a function that will:
> > > >>
> > > >> - change channels to my pre-defined WX channel in the CDM radio via
> > the BCD
> > > >> script
> > > >> - Playback audio for 2-3 minutes
> > > >> - change back to my "default" channel after the timer has elapsed
> and
> > > >> disconnect
> > > >>
> > > >> Unless I've missed it, I don't see a function in app_rpt to
> > facilitate this
> > > >> behavior? So that left me thinking of options, and I am looking to
> > see if
> > > >> anyone has any other ideas:
> > > >>
> > > >> - use my controller (SCOM 7330) to send a DTMF command to call a
> > script,
> > > >> run on a timer, then send another DTMF command to disconnect it
> (this
> > would
> > > >> be easiest, but my preferred use to call scripts and functions is to
> > use
> > > >> MDC instead which the SCOM does not support)
> > > >>
> > > >> - write a shell or python script to handle this
> > > >>
> > > >> - hack something together in the dialplan, I think I might be able
> to
> > > >> leverage the autopatch function for this, but haven't looked into it
> > yet.
> > > >>
> > > >> Looking for ideas if anyone has any, and perhaps I'm overthinking
> this
> > > >> which I'm known to do on occasion ;)
> > > >>
> > > >> 73
> > > >> Stephen
> > > >> K1LNX
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