[arm-allstar] Link to a node for x minutes then disconnect

Wed Apr 4 10:27:40 EST 2018

Thanks all, my intent was not to start a debate on this topic, but rather
to solve a technical challenge. I do however have a misunderstanding of
97.113 c:

(c) No station shall retransmit programs or signals emanating from any type
> of radio station other than an amateur station
> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=8316e1efbe4ab2409028952c23f115a7&term_occur=8&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.113>,
> except propagation and weather forecast information intended for use by the
> general public and originated from United States
> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=974fe48061e86e76cd884bfb06a1dca5&term_occur=1&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.113>
>  Government stations, and communications, including incidental music,
> originating on UnitedStates
> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=974fe48061e86e76cd884bfb06a1dca5&term_occur=2&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.113>
>  Government frequencies between a manned spacecraft
> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=bf5a40d87fcf67bc3ddcc58084bb7c56&term_occur=1&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.113>
>  and its associated Earth stations. Prior approval for manned spacecraft
> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=bf5a40d87fcf67bc3ddcc58084bb7c56&term_occur=2&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.113>
>  communications retransmissions must be obtained from the National
> Aeronautics and Space Administration. Such retransmissions must be for the
> exclusive use of amateur radio operators. Propagation, weather forecasts,
> and manned spacecraft
> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=bf5a40d87fcf67bc3ddcc58084bb7c56&term_occur=3&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:97:Subpart:B:97.113>
>  communications retransmissions may not be conducted on a regular basis,
> but only occasionally, as an incident of normal amateur radio
> communications.
>

"except propagation and weather forecast information intended for use by
the general public and originated from United States Government stations"
is the verbage I believe that allows this to be permissible under the
rules?

I'm not refuting this one way or the other, but I would like to hear some
opinions on the matter. Doug and/or Dave, if this is not permissible
discussion then we can end it here as I don't want it to do turn into a
raging debate, that is not my intent.

73
Stephen
K1LNX

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 11:17 AM, "David McGough via arm-allstar" <
arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:

>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Nope, Doug IS CORRECT about NOAA retransmission.
>
> This topic has been discussed previously, but, note that the
> repeater-builder page is OUT OF DATE. Part 97.113(e) was removed from the
> FCC Rules several years ago. See the updated rules at the website, below.
>
> Basically, the updated rules closed the loophole for Amateur
> retransmission of NOAA broadcasts. Period. I've already gotten two legal
> opinions about this, one coming from the ARRL General Counsel.
>
> https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/97.113
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2018, "Jay Urish via arm-allstar" wrote:
>
> > Small topic hijack.
> >
> > Doug, You are incorrect.
> >
> > copied from - http://www.repeater-builder.com/tech-info/weather-radios.
> html
> >
> > see section -- Weather Receiver Rebroadcasts and the Legal Questions
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > As to what can be rebroadcast, Dan directed me to Part 97.113(e) which
> > reads:
> >
> >     "No station shall retransmit programs or signals emanating from any
> >     type of radio station other than an amateur station, except
> >     propagation and weather forecast information intended for use by the
> >     general public and originated from United States Government stations
> >     and communications, including incidental music, originating on
> >     United States Government frequencies between a space shuttle and its
> >     associated Earth stations."
> >
> >
> > On 04/04/2018 09:57 AM, "Doug Crompton via arm-allstar" wrote:
> > > Stephen,
> > >
> > >     It is not legal to rebroadcast NOAA weather on amateur radio. That
> rule
> > > has been in existence for quite some time. Otherwise what you want to
> do
> > > could probably be accomplished through a script timing the various
> > > scenarios.
> > >
> > >
> > > *73 Doug*
> > >
> > > *WA3DSP*
> > >
> > > *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 10:00 AM, "Stephen - K1LNX via arm-allstar" <
> > > arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Before I potentially re-invent the wheel, I wondered if something
> like this
> > >> exists in the app_rpt code.
> > >>
> > >> I have a dedicated channelized remote base node and steer it with the
> BCD
> > >> control script. I put our local NOAA weather radio in one of the
> channels,
> > >> and would like the ability to call it up "on-command" for audio.
> > >>
> > >> Ideally, I'd like to call a function that will:
> > >>
> > >> - change channels to my pre-defined WX channel in the CDM radio via
> the BCD
> > >> script
> > >> - Playback audio for 2-3 minutes
> > >> - change back to my "default" channel after the timer has elapsed and
> > >> disconnect
> > >>
> > >> Unless I've missed it, I don't see a function in app_rpt to
> facilitate this
> > >> behavior? So that left me thinking of options, and I am looking to
> see if
> > >> anyone has any other ideas:
> > >>
> > >> - use my controller (SCOM 7330) to send a DTMF command to call a
> script,
> > >> run on a timer, then send another DTMF command to disconnect it (this
> would
> > >> be easiest, but my preferred use to call scripts and functions is to
> use
> > >> MDC instead which the SCOM does not support)
> > >>
> > >> - write a shell or python script to handle this
> > >>
> > >> - hack something together in the dialplan, I think I might be able to
> > >> leverage the autopatch function for this, but haven't looked into it
> yet.
> > >>
> > >> Looking for ideas if anyone has any, and perhaps I'm overthinking this
> > >> which I'm known to do on occasion ;)
> > >>
> > >> 73
> > >> Stephen
> > >> K1LNX
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