[arm-allstar] Kenwood repeater issue

[Patrick Perdue]

WARNING!!!!

The SHARI does something nasty that makes it very much not ideal for a 
repeater link.

Even if you have everything set up for gated PL, COS detection won't 
drop until the carrier does, if it initially had a tone and then the 
tone drops out. This results in the radio muting like it should, but COS 
keeps the node transmitting out to the network. I'd definitely not use 
that method. Too bad you can't connect an interface directly to a second 
port on your repeater's controller or something, configured as a link 
port, thus no hang times, IDs and CT's. also, no ping pongs. People 
really hate those. They're rampant on echo link.


On 2/7/2021 2:31 PM, "Les Keegan via ARM-allstar" wrote:
> I have a SHARI Node I want to put at the repeater site in the future as we are putting a repeater at this hospitals satellite hospital opening this fall and I want to use Allstar to link them together. Now I will have that setup in duplex mode and it has the courtesy tones and what not on it. I have not turned them off as of yet since they are not in service. I probably will use Cwid on it since I do not like the female voice that comes on in that mode. But for now I am hosting my node at my QTH.
>
> Les Keegan
> N4LPK
>> On 02/07/2021 2:08 PM Steve Agee via ARM-allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>>
>>   
>> *You are correct. The issue is you can program the I.D. for no CTCSS
>> encode, but there is no option I'm aware of in that software to turn it
>> off in the tail hang timer and that is your issue here. If you and your
>> users are willing to deal with a zero hang time repeater (most are not),
>> then that solution will work. Otherwise down the road you can implement
>> the external tone board, then have all the hang time and courtesy beeps
>> that you like.
>>
>> N5ZUA
>> *
>> On 2/7/2021 1:03 PM, "Les Keegan via ARM-allstar" wrote:
>>> The Kenwood KPG-91 D software allows for me to disable the PL on ID. Which I have done. I will adjust the tail to 0 when I go back  up to the repeater site hopefully this week. I have changed it in the software I just need to download it into the repeater. I have 1 or two users that do not use the output tone and therefore when transmitting they sometimes have the id'er come through their transmission. I have asked them to put tone on their output but they like to hear squelch I guess.  I will have to have a conversation with them again. Yes the node is at my QTH and the repeater is at a local hospital about 4 miles away. Thanks for the information.
>>>
>>> Les Keegan
>>> N4LPK
>>>> On 02/07/2021 1:26 PM Steve Agee via ARM-allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>    
>>>> *There is a lot of information missing here, such as how your node
>>>> interfaces to your repeater. I'm going to guess the node and repeater
>>>> are in 2 different locations, and that you are using an on-frequency
>>>> node radio that talks to the repeater like a mobile would. This is the
>>>> absolute worst way to interface a node to a repeater, but can still be
>>>> done with modifications.
>>>>
>>>> To meet the definition of "link compliant" the 0.4 second tail must be
>>>> reduced to absolute zero. The best way to do this is to reconfigure the
>>>> repeater such that the repeater TX only encodes CTCSS while the CTCSS
>>>> condition of the RX is true. Most repeaters are not configurable in this
>>>> manner just from software but some are. If not, then you must add a tone
>>>> board and wire it in the manner described above. Then completely disable
>>>> CTCSS in the repeater software so there is no conflict between it and
>>>> the add-on tone board. Likewise, the node radio needs tone encode and
>>>> decode enabled as well.
>>>>
>>>> If this is not your configuration, then please give an in depth
>>>> description of how you are interfacing your node to your Kenwood repeater.
>>>>
>>>> N5ZUA *
>>>>
>>>> On 2/7/2021 9:01 AM, "Les Keegan via ARM-allstar" wrote:
>>>>> I have a remote node  on a Kenwood TKR-750 repeater. Recently I connected to a hub node and was told that the Kenwood repeater was causing interference from the squelch tail and the repeater ID. I have the repeater ID un toned so I am not sure why the id is causing interference and we have a very short squelch tail set at 0.4 seconds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is  there something in the settings I can change to make this interference go away?
>>>>>
>>>>> Les Keegan
>>>>> N4LPK
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