[arm-allstar] Sending tones and Documentation

Sat Jan 18 21:28:02 EST 2020

No you were right. I was talking about the DTMF A tone. The tones you 
get from

cop,48,!0/1000,A

But I wanted the A to last 2 or 3 seconds, not just a short blip.

I did not know about the + syntax, until Doug told me in his email. I 
have not found it in the documentation yet.

Background:

When we start a ARES Skywarn net in Collin County Texas, I have to do 
Motorola codes 110,111, then Motorola codes 122,124, then 2-3 seconds of 
a DTMF A.

This is what was on the RLC Club and Club Deluxe Repeater before I 
switch to Allstar and Hamvoip. So I am keeping compatible with a system 
that has been operating like this for over 20 years. It is not a new 
feature.

The Motorola codes activate two different pagers, which will wake up 
someone when we start a net (Or I have been told, they can also activate 
a Motorola Radio at an EOC.)
The DTMF A tone(s) is used by some people to turn on their radio 
speaker. So they can have the radio in the bedroom, on the Skywarn 
Repeater frequency, but the speaker is turned off (so they do not hear 
the late night chatter), until a DTMF A is sent. Then it is on, and they 
can hear the net.

So putting it all together, the final command is:
907=cop,48,!0/1000,!330.5/1000,!349.0/3000,!0/1000,!634.5/1000,!707.3/3000,!0/1000,!697+1633/3000 
; Send two tone paging sequence: Motorola codes 110,111, then 122,124, 
then DTMF A (697 Hz and 1633 Hz) for 3 seconds

I just tested it, and it works.

Thanks,

Kip

On 1/18/20 1:54 PM, "Don Ritchie via ARM-allstar" wrote:
> Duh, Now I feel stupid..
>
> after re-reading the thread a number of times, I now realize you were 
> talking about "any' tone,
>
> as opposed to the "A" tone on a DTMF dial... Coming from a telephone 
> background, and for a time having a job
>
> where we actually used the "A" "B""C" and "D" keys on a touchtone 
> dial, I jumped to a conclusion that that is
>
> what was being talked about instead of a tone of xxxx Hz (2713 Hz, one 
> of my favorites, I worked with tie lines a lot.)
>
> Don, K8ZGW
>
>
> On 1/17/2020 23:38, "Don Ritchie via ARM-allstar" wrote:
>> I"m confused ???
>>
>> You talk about the DTMF "A" tone, what are you referring to ?
>>
>> DTMF , by it's nature, is TWO TONES (duel tone multi frequency)
>>
>> and you all make it sound like one tone ...
>>
>> to get an "A" you need to send both 697 hz and 1633 hz, at real close 
>> to the same level, to be decoded as an "A" !!
>>
>> so, what are you trying to get ?
>>
>> DON, k8zgw
>>
>> On 1/17/2020 19:06, "Kipton Moravec via ARM-allstar" wrote:
>>> That is a neat trick.
>>>
>>> That helped with the missing DTMF tone.
>>>
>>> I still do not know where the commands are documented better.
>>>
>>> I still do not know how to make the DTMF A tone play solid for 2 
>>> seconds.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Kip
>>>
>>> On 1/17/20 5:26 PM, "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar" wrote:
>>>> Kip,
>>>>
>>>>    I think you probably need to add delays especially at the 
>>>> beginning. Here
>>>> is some info on this from previous emails....
>>>>
>>>> EXAMPLES:
>>>>
>>>> rpt cmd 1998 cop 48
>>>> !0/500,!1100+1700/100,!700+900/60,!700+1100/60,!700+900/60,!1500+1700/60 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> rpt cmd 1998 cop 48 !0/500,!399.8/1000,!339.6/2000
>>>>
>>>> rpt cmd 1998 cop 48
>>>> !0/500,!697+1209/200,!0/200,!697+1336/200,!0/200,!697+1477/200,!0/200,!770+1209/200,!0/200 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> rpt cmd 1998 cop 48 !0/500,1,2,3,A,4,5,6,B,7,8,9,C,*,0,#,D
>>>>
>>>> rpt cmd 1998 cop 48 !0/500,!1068+1068.35/1400
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ....Replace the 1998 with your node number.
>>>>
>>>> Delay EXAMPLES
>>>>
>>>> Send DTMF 1,2,3. To place a 1/4 second delay between tones, and a 1/2
>>>> second at the
>>>> beginning, try something like:
>>>>
>>>> 981=cop,48,!0/500,1,!0/250,2,!0/250,3
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *73 Doug*
>>>>
>>>> *WA3DSP*
>>>>
>>>> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 4:40 PM "Kipton Moravec via ARM-allstar" <
>>>> arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am working on sending pager tones for when we go to Skywarn nets.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our county has two sets of pager tones that we use for historical 
>>>>> purposes.
>>>>>
>>>>> In addition we send a DTMF A tone, which turns on the speaker on some
>>>>> people's radio somehow.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we start a Skywarn net the pager tones can wake people up, (or 
>>>>> at an
>>>>> EOC if they have a Motorola radio) and turn on the speaker.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at https://www2.hamvoip.org/allstar_functions.pdf it lists 
>>>>> the
>>>>> functions but not the format of the commands.
>>>>>
>>>>> So someone told me the commands I am looking for are:
>>>>>
>>>>> 901=cop,48,!330.5/1000,!349.0/3000 ; Send two tone paging sequence:
>>>>> Motorola codes 110,111
>>>>> 902=cop,48,!634.5/1000,!707.3/3000 ; Send two tone paging sequence:
>>>>> Motorola codes 122,124
>>>>>
>>>>> 903=cop,48,A/2000                             ; Send DTMF A tone 
>>>>> for 2
>>>>> seconds
>>>>>
>>>>> The first two work. How am I supposed to guess the format? Where 
>>>>> is it
>>>>> documented? it is not documented in the .pdf above.
>>>>>
>>>>> The last one does not work.  I think it keys but no sound
>>>>>
>>>>> So I tried
>>>>>
>>>>> 903=cop,48,A
>>>>>
>>>>> Still no sound.
>>>>>
>>>>> Found this link:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.chrishoodblog.com/pass-dtmf-through-allstar-to-rc-210-repeater-controller/ 
>>>>>
>>>>> which said
>>>>>
>>>>> The syntax is as follows:
>>>>> DTMF command through Allstar = cop,48,DTMF,DTMF,DTMF
>>>>>
>>>>> EX…
>>>>> 880 = cop,A,1,1
>>>>> You key up send *880 and release
>>>>> Allstar will generate A 1 1 and send it out the radio, but not back
>>>>> across the Allstar network.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I tried:
>>>>>
>>>>> 903=cop,48,A,A,A,A,A,A,A  ; 7 A
>>>>>
>>>>> and I heard 6 A tones. So the first one is silent?
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not have any commands that start with the DTMF A. I thought that
>>>>> may be the issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the first one is silent maybe I should try
>>>>>
>>>>> 903=cop,48,A,A/2000
>>>>>
>>>>> No sound.
>>>>>
>>>>> How am I supposed to figure out how this works?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kip
>>>>>
>>>>>
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