[arm-allstar] Keying repeater
w7jca
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Wed Jul 25 13:32:20 EST 2018
I am the repeater owner. I have the courtesy tone turned off. I have nounkeyct=1.It only happens when a station unkeys then the node keys up. It is not hooked up directly but as a RF node.
Thanks
John
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Today's Topics:
1. RTCM / voting (Richard Bateman)
2. Re: RTCM / voting (David McGough)
3. Node keeps rekeying up (w7jca)
4. Re: Node keeps rekeying up (Doug Crompton)
5. Re: pre-de emphasis and audio response. (zs6xox)
6. Re: Node keeps rekeying up (Mike Besemer - WM4B)
7. Re: pre-de emphasis and audio response. (KD2NFC, Joe Puma)
8. Re: Node keeps rekeying up (zs6xox)
9. Re: Node keeps rekeying up (Doug Crompton)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 13:11:15 -0600
From: Richard Bateman <richard at batemansr.us>
To: ARM Allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>
Subject: [arm-allstar] RTCM / voting
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Hi all,
Is there a way to use the RTCM and voting when I don't have a way to get an
IP link to one of the sites? I can easily get a 70cm RF link to it, but I
don't have the line of site needed to do an IP link between them and it's a
mountain-top node. The other two locations have IP and either can reach
this site with a 70cm or even 220 link.
Richard
KD7BBC
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 23:23:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
To: "\"Richard Bateman via arm-allstar\"" <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>
Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] RTCM / voting
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Richard,
For RTCM's to work optimally, all the receivers MUST be as "symmetric" as
possible, since the RTCM's perform voting based on RX S/N ratio as
determined via flat audio coming from the RX. By adding link radios (i.e.:
another TX/RX combo) in the signal path for only one site, I'm suspecting
the "perceived" S/N from that site will be poorer than the other site,
impairing the voter performance. Another factor than might come into play
is that the signal coming is from the extra TX/RX path will have
additional delay. I don't know what impact that might have.
73, David KB4FXC
On Tue, 24 Jul 2018, "Richard Bateman via arm-allstar" wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is there a way to use the RTCM and voting when I don't have a way to get an
> IP link to one of the sites? I can easily get a 70cm RF link to it, but I
> don't have the line of site needed to do an IP link between them and it's a
> mountain-top node. The other two locations have IP and either can reach
> this site with a 70cm or even 220 link.
>
> Richard
> KD7BBC
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 21:08:08 -0700
From: "w7jca" <w7jca at yahoo.com>
To: <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>
Subject: [arm-allstar] Node keeps rekeying up
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Good evening,
I have a RP3 and DMK URI hooked up to a Motorola CDM 1550. It is set to
duplex=1 and is a RF node to a repeater. Everything is working fine except
when someone unkeys the node keys up for a second. It continues to do this
each time someone unkeys. I have courtesy tones turned off and still no
change. It does this on Allstar as well as echolink.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
John W7 JCA
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 00:31:06 -0400
From: Doug Crompton <wa3dsp at gmail.com>
To: ARM Allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>
Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] Node keeps rekeying up
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John,
You cannot connect a simplex node to a repeater without some adjustments.
The problem is your node has a courtesy tone which keys up on RF after the
repeater drops. The repeater hears this and again keys up and a loop forms.
To eliminate this you need to set nounkeyct=1 in rpt.conf - the default
is =0 or perform the tone. You could also set duplex=0 instead but that
eliminates many other telemetry things you may want to maintain. When you
make changes to the config files you must restart asterisk or reboot the
system for them to take effect.
Connecting a simplex node to a repeater is not a good idea unless you
either own the repeater or have permission to do so. You ID's will show up
on the repeater and the repeater ID's will go out over the nde and to
wherever it is connected. There are ways around this if you have control
over the repeater. If that is the case and you want more info let me know.
*73 Doug*
*WA3DSP*
*http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*
On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:08 AM, "w7jca via arm-allstar" <
arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
> Good evening,
>
>
>
> I have a RP3 and DMK URI hooked up to a Motorola CDM 1550. It is set to
> duplex=1 and is a RF node to a repeater. Everything is working fine except
> when someone unkeys the node keys up for a second. It continues to do this
> each time someone unkeys. I have courtesy tones turned off and still no
> change. It does this on Allstar as well as echolink.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> John W7 JCA
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 08:48:33 +0200
From: zs6xox <zs6xox at gmail.com>
To: George Csahanin via arm-allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>
Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] pre-de emphasis and audio response.
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lol ... they are very active, and like I said, a great bunch of guys ... ;)
On 7/24/2018 4:08 PM, "George Csahanin via arm-allstar" wrote:
> 41288 shows to be a hub with a gazillion and a half nodes connected
> (ok, maybe only a gazillion).
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 10:50:53 +0000 (GMT)
From: Mike Besemer - WM4B <mwbesemer at cox.net>
To: arm-allstar at hamvoip.org
Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] Node keeps rekeying up
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Doug,
I'm interested in hearing the fix for this, as it exactly describes the
situation with the node I'm building.
The repeater it will be connected to is mine. It does not transmit
CTCSS on IDs or announcements, so that will prevent half of the
ping-pong cycle. Is there a way to have the node transmit IDs without
CTCSS?
Mike
WM4B
On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:31 AM, "Doug Crompton via arm-allstar" wrote:
> John,
>
> You cannot connect a simplex node to a repeater without some
> adjustments.
> The problem is your node has a courtesy tone which keys up on RF after
> the
> repeater drops. The repeater hears this and again keys up and a loop
> forms.
> To eliminate this you need to set nounkeyct=1 in rpt.conf - the
> default
> is =0 or perform the tone. You could also set duplex=0 instead but
> that
> eliminates many other telemetry things you may want to maintain. When
> you
> make changes to the config files you must restart asterisk or reboot
> the
> system for them to take effect.
>
> Connecting a simplex node to a repeater is not a good idea unless you
> either own the repeater or have permission to do so. You ID's will
> show up
> on the repeater and the repeater ID's will go out over the nde and to
> wherever it is connected. There are ways around this if you have
> control
> over the repeater. If that is the case and you want more info let me
> know.
>
>
> *73 Doug*
>
> *WA3DSP*
>
> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:08 AM, "w7jca via arm-allstar" <
> arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>
>> Good evening,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a RP3 and DMK URI hooked up to a Motorola CDM 1550. It is set
>> to
>> duplex=1 and is a RF node to a repeater. Everything is working fine
>> except
>> when someone unkeys the node keys up for a second. It continues to do
>> this
>> each time someone unkeys. I have courtesy tones turned off and still
>> no
>> change. It does this on Allstar as well as echolink.
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> John W7 JCA
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 08:28:32 -0400
From: "KD2NFC, Joe Puma" <kd2nfc at gmail.com>
To: ARM Allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>
Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] pre-de emphasis and audio response.
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Was it the Win System? They are the biggest hub net on AllStar.
Joe
KD2NFC
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> On Jul 24, 2018, at 10:08 AM, George Csahanin via arm-allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>
> 41288 shows to be a hub with a gazillion and a half nodes connected (ok, maybe only a gazillion). I'd suspect that node is not an issue but something connected to it, or something connected to something connected to it, etc. Impressive bubble chart... something like 24 node directly to it but then those have connections. Five of the 24 are also hubs. Mostly UK, saw one "New England Hub" also...
>
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 15:25:36 +0200
From: zs6xox <zs6xox at gmail.com>
To: Mike Besemer - WM4B via arm-allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>
Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] Node keeps rekeying up
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I experienced the same problem (which got me kicked from a number of
nodes ;) ) ... what I did was to increase "hangtime" to "2000" (2
seconds) ...
Hope it helps
On 7/25/2018 12:50 PM, "Mike Besemer - WM4B via arm-allstar" wrote:
> Doug,
>
> I'm interested in hearing the fix for this, as it exactly describes
> the situation with the node I'm building.
>
> The repeater it will be connected to is mine.? It does not transmit
> CTCSS on IDs or announcements, so that will prevent half of the
> ping-pong cycle.? Is there a way to have the node transmit IDs without
> CTCSS?
>
> Mike
> WM4B
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:31 AM, "Doug Crompton via arm-allstar" wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> ?You cannot connect a simplex node to a repeater without some
>> adjustments.
>> The problem is your node has a courtesy tone which keys up on RF
>> after the
>> repeater drops. The repeater hears this and again keys up and a loop
>> forms.
>> To eliminate this you need to set? nounkeyct=1? in rpt.conf? - the
>> default
>> is =0 or perform the tone. You could also set duplex=0 instead but that
>> eliminates many other telemetry things you may want to maintain. When
>> you
>> make changes to the config files you must restart asterisk or reboot the
>> system for them to take effect.
>>
>> Connecting a simplex node to a repeater is not a good idea unless you
>> either own the repeater or have permission to do so. You ID's will
>> show up
>> on the repeater and the repeater ID's will go out over the nde and to
>> wherever it is connected. There are ways around this if you have control
>> over the repeater. If that is the case and you want more info let me
>> know.
>>
>>
>> *73 Doug*
>>
>> *WA3DSP*
>>
>> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:08 AM, "w7jca via arm-allstar" <
>> arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Good evening,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a RP3 and DMK URI hooked up to a Motorola CDM 1550. It is set to
>>> duplex=1 and is a RF node to a repeater. Everything is working fine
>>> except
>>> when someone unkeys the node keys up for a second. It continues to
>>> do this
>>> each time someone unkeys. I have courtesy tones turned off and still no
>>> change. It does this on Allstar as well as echolink.
>>>
>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John W7 JCA
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 11:51:53 -0400
From: Doug Crompton <wa3dsp at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] Node keeps rekeying up
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Connecting a simplex node to a repeater requires some planning and always
the permission of the repeater owner. I will call this the "poor mans" way
to get Allstar on the repeater. The best way is having Internet at the
repeater and interfacing Allstar there either using Allstar as the repeater
controller or bringing it in on a port of an existing controller.
In the event this is not possible there are things you can do to make it
work reasonably well. I personally have a repeater that does not have
access to the Internet and I use a remote simplex node to provide full time
Allstar on that repeater. The key is to have the repeater PL follow the
input to the repeater not the output. Then your remote simplex node sees
keyups like they were coming directly from the input station to the
repeater and not the repeater itself thus eliminating the repeater tail and
ID from being transmitted out over Allstar. This would require a change at
the repeater. The downside is that the repeater users would not hear the
repeater tail or ID either if they were using tone squelch. You could add a
second PL so that one followed the repeater input and one followed the
repeater output so both repeater users and Allstar would be happy BUT if
this is a full time Allstar connection there would be no reason to do that.
The remote simplex node stays in duplex=1 with no other changes. Its
courtesy tone becomes the repeater courtesy tone and tail that the users
would hear. When the repeater unkeys it would either not have a PL or have
a PL that the remote simplex Allstar node would not respond to thus no
keyup loop.
When doing this you can set the repeater to have a short CW ID and let the
remote simplex node do a normal ID. Repeater users would just have to get
use to hearing it and observe the rules of Allstar - no quick keyups. The
key here is not being upset that Allstar is being added to the repeater and
accepting some changes. Many of the repeaters we have are not being used or
utilized beyond a few keyups a day. Adding Allstar could be a big benefit
but requires some education and understanding that things will change a bit.
*73 Doug*
*WA3DSP*
*http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*
On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 6:50 AM, "Mike Besemer - WM4B via arm-allstar" <
arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
> Doug,
>
> I'm interested in hearing the fix for this, as it exactly describes the
> situation with the node I'm building.
>
> The repeater it will be connected to is mine. It does not transmit CTCSS
> on IDs or announcements, so that will prevent half of the ping-pong cycle.
> Is there a way to have the node transmit IDs without CTCSS?
>
> Mike
> WM4B
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:31 AM, "Doug Crompton via arm-allstar" wrote:
>
> John,
>>
>> You cannot connect a simplex node to a repeater without some adjustments.
>> The problem is your node has a courtesy tone which keys up on RF after the
>> repeater drops. The repeater hears this and again keys up and a loop
>> forms.
>> To eliminate this you need to set nounkeyct=1 in rpt.conf - the default
>> is =0 or perform the tone. You could also set duplex=0 instead but that
>> eliminates many other telemetry things you may want to maintain. When you
>> make changes to the config files you must restart asterisk or reboot the
>> system for them to take effect.
>>
>> Connecting a simplex node to a repeater is not a good idea unless you
>> either own the repeater or have permission to do so. You ID's will show up
>> on the repeater and the repeater ID's will go out over the nde and to
>> wherever it is connected. There are ways around this if you have control
>> over the repeater. If that is the case and you want more info let me know.
>>
>>
>> *73 Doug*
>>
>> *WA3DSP*
>>
>> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:08 AM, "w7jca via arm-allstar" <
>> arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>>
>> Good evening,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a RP3 and DMK URI hooked up to a Motorola CDM 1550. It is set to
>>> duplex=1 and is a RF node to a repeater. Everything is working fine
>>> except
>>> when someone unkeys the node keys up for a second. It continues to do
>>> this
>>> each time someone unkeys. I have courtesy tones turned off and still no
>>> change. It does this on Allstar as well as echolink.
>>>
>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John W7 JCA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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>>>
>>> Visit the BBB and RPi2/3 web page - http://hamvoip.org
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>>
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>>
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