[arm-allstar] arm-allstar Digest, Vol 43, Issue 5

Wed Dec 6 15:12:43 EST 2017

Alincos make great node radios.Keep the power to no more than 10 Watts
out(medium)& with a cooling fan on the heat sink,the radio will be fine.

Pete
KD2ARB

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>    3. Re: Node Radio (Justin Grigg)
>    4. Re: Node Radio (Doug Crompton)
>    5. Re: Node Radio (David McGough)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 17:21:46 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Chris Souleles <csouleles at prodigy.net>
> To: ARM Allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>
> Cc: Doug Crompton <wa3dsp at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] Node Radio
> Message-ID: <1766596711.1397670.1512408106527 at mail.yahoo.com>
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> Thanks for the info.? Good point on the dirty TX output on the Chinese
> radios.? I have a spare Yaesu FT-7900 just sitting around that I may try to
> modify for the base node.? Is there any info available on modifying that
> radio?
> Thanks, Chris - W6CS - 73.
>
>       From: Doug Crompton via arm-allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>
>  To: ARM Allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>
> Cc: Doug Crompton <wa3dsp at gmail.com>
>  Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 8:48 AM
>  Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] Node Radio
>
> Chris,
>
>  We use the UV82 in nodes with good success although generally not high
> power. If you just want two bands that is a good choice. Generally these
> are only used for portable or mobile nodes with rather poor antennas and
> limited range. I think I would be careful about running any of the Chinese
> stuff on fixed good antennas and/or amplifiers. Many of them are not
> exactly clean on TX output.
>
> Unfortunately there is not much mid range cost stuff out there. It is
> either cheap Chinese or $150 or more. You might consider commercial
> surplus. There is a lot of Motorola stuff out there from the narrowband
> switch over and now that we have the ability in the hamvoip code to program
> them it makes it easier for anyone to get them on the air.
>
>
> *73 Doug*
>
> *WA3DSP*
>
> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:12 AM, "Chris Souleles via arm-allstar" <
> arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for an alternative low cost node radio.? I have built two
> > nodes with the BF888, RPI3, DMK URi.? I'm thinking it would be nice to
> get
> > more power and the option for 2 meters. I use my nodes mobile through a
> > hotspot which does not require the power, and I also use them as base
> nodes
> > with a home brew 440 MHz ground plane antenna up about 15 feet.? Having
> the
> > option to run high or low power, 2 meter or 440 would be nice.
> > I am looking at UV-5RHP and UV-82HP.? I've heard the UV-5R will overheat
> > on the high power mode so I assume the HP version would be even worse.?
> Is
> > this the same situation with the UV-82HP?? I will be removing them from
> > the case as I did with the BF888 so I don't know if heat will still be a
> > problem.
> > I see good instructions for modifying the UV-82 on line.? Are the
> > connection points the same on the UV-82HP?
> > Any recommendations on choice of node radio would be appreciated.
> > Thanks,? Chris - W6CS - 73
> >
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:49:49 -0500
> From: Doug Crompton <wa3dsp at gmail.com>
> To: Chris Souleles <csouleles at prodigy.net>
> Cc: ARM Allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>
> Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] Node Radio
> Message-ID:
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> 3MuQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Chris,
>
>  Page 10 of the operating manual shows the data connector. This is a
> standard i6 pin DIN nterface which has PTT and COS (squelch)  You would use
> usb not usbinvert for COS in simpleusb-tune-menu. Audio is on the 1200 baud
> in and out oins and no pre or de-emphasis.
>
>
> *73 Doug*
>
> *WA3DSP*
>
> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Chris Souleles <csouleles at prodigy.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the info.  Good point on the dirty TX output on the Chinese
> > radios.  I have a spare Yaesu FT-7900 just sitting around that I may try
> to
> > modify for the base node.  Is there any info available on modifying that
> > radio?
> >
> > Thanks, Chris - W6CS - 73.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Doug Crompton via arm-allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>
> > *To:* ARM Allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>
> > *Cc:* Doug Crompton <wa3dsp at gmail.com>
> > *Sent:* Monday, December 4, 2017 8:48 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [arm-allstar] Node Radio
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > We use the UV82 in nodes with good success although generally not high
> > power. If you just want two bands that is a good choice. Generally these
> > are only used for portable or mobile nodes with rather poor antennas and
> > limited range. I think I would be careful about running any of the
> Chinese
> > stuff on fixed good antennas and/or amplifiers. Many of them are not
> > exactly clean on TX output.
> >
> > Unfortunately there is not much mid range cost stuff out there. It is
> > either cheap Chinese or $150 or more. You might consider commercial
> > surplus. There is a lot of Motorola stuff out there from the narrowband
> > switch over and now that we have the ability in the hamvoip code to
> program
> > them it makes it easier for anyone to get them on the air.
> >
> >
> > *73 Doug*
> >
> > *WA3DSP*
> >
> > *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:12 AM, "Chris Souleles via arm-allstar" <
> > arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm looking for an alternative low cost node radio.  I have built two
> > > nodes with the BF888, RPI3, DMK URi.  I'm thinking it would be nice to
> > get
> > > more power and the option for 2 meters. I use my nodes mobile through a
> > > hotspot which does not require the power, and I also use them as base
> > nodes
> > > with a home brew 440 MHz ground plane antenna up about 15 feet.  Having
> > the
> > > option to run high or low power, 2 meter or 440 would be nice.
> > > I am looking at UV-5RHP and UV-82HP.  I've heard the UV-5R will
> overheat
> > > on the high power mode so I assume the HP version would be even worse.
> > Is
> > > this the same situation with the UV-82HP?  I will be removing them from
> > > the case as I did with the BF888 so I don't know if heat will still be
> a
> > > problem.
> > > I see good instructions for modifying the UV-82 on line.  Are the
> > > connection points the same on the UV-82HP?
> > > Any recommendations on choice of node radio would be appreciated.
> > > Thanks,  Chris - W6CS - 73
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > >
> > > arm-allstar mailing list
> > > arm-allstar at hamvoip.org
> > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar
> > >
> > > Visit the BBB and RPi2/3 web page - http://hamvoip.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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> >
> > Visit the BBB and RPi2/3 web page - http://hamvoip.org
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 16:57:15 -0500
> From: Justin Grigg <jgrigg at gmail.com>
> To: ARM Allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>
> Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] Node Radio
> Message-ID:
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> Ho_1w at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Have you tried sometning like this? I purchased 2 as just for this reason.
> I just haven't got around to building them yet.
>
>
> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2sets-lot-All-in-one-UHF-VHF-Voice-module-kits-SA828-walkie-talkie/32252970275.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.l7Vcap
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:12 AM, "Chris Souleles via arm-allstar" <
> arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for an alternative low cost node radio.  I have built two
> > nodes with the BF888, RPI3, DMK URi.  I'm thinking it would be nice to
> get
> > more power and the option for 2 meters. I use my nodes mobile through a
> > hotspot which does not require the power, and I also use them as base
> nodes
> > with a home brew 440 MHz ground plane antenna up about 15 feet.  Having
> the
> > option to run high or low power, 2 meter or 440 would be nice.
> > I am looking at UV-5RHP and UV-82HP.  I've heard the UV-5R will overheat
> > on the high power mode so I assume the HP version would be even worse.
> Is
> > this the same situation with the UV-82HP?   I will be removing them from
> > the case as I did with the BF888 so I don't know if heat will still be a
> > problem.
> > I see good instructions for modifying the UV-82 on line.  Are the
> > connection points the same on the UV-82HP?
> > Any recommendations on choice of node radio would be appreciated.
> > Thanks,  Chris - W6CS - 73
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > arm-allstar mailing list
> > arm-allstar at hamvoip.org
> > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar
> >
> > Visit the BBB and RPi2/3 web page - http://hamvoip.org
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 17:04:08 -0500
> From: Doug Crompton <wa3dsp at gmail.com>
> To: ARM Allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>
> Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] Node Radio
> Message-ID:
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> 9OuLcPrLCQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Justin,
>
>  I did a howto on that module several years ago. It is on the hamvoip.org
> web page. I was not very satisfied with them and they are very RF
> dirty and need output filtering which I show in the howto. Here is the
> direct link -
>
> https://hamvoip.org/hamradio/818_transceiver_module/
>
>
> *73 Doug*
>
> *WA3DSP*
>
> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 4:57 PM, "Justin Grigg via arm-allstar" <
> arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>
> > Have you tried sometning like this? I purchased 2 as just for this
> reason.
> > I just haven't got around to building them yet.
> >
> > https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2sets-lot-All-in-one-UHF-
> > VHF-Voice-module-kits-SA828-walkie-talkie/32252970275.
> > html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.l7Vcap
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:12 AM, "Chris Souleles via arm-allstar" <
> > arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm looking for an alternative low cost node radio.  I have built two
> > > nodes with the BF888, RPI3, DMK URi.  I'm thinking it would be nice to
> > get
> > > more power and the option for 2 meters. I use my nodes mobile through a
> > > hotspot which does not require the power, and I also use them as base
> > nodes
> > > with a home brew 440 MHz ground plane antenna up about 15 feet.  Having
> > the
> > > option to run high or low power, 2 meter or 440 would be nice.
> > > I am looking at UV-5RHP and UV-82HP.  I've heard the UV-5R will
> overheat
> > > on the high power mode so I assume the HP version would be even worse.
> > Is
> > > this the same situation with the UV-82HP?   I will be removing them
> from
> > > the case as I did with the BF888 so I don't know if heat will still be
> a
> > > problem.
> > > I see good instructions for modifying the UV-82 on line.  Are the
> > > connection points the same on the UV-82HP?
> > > Any recommendations on choice of node radio would be appreciated.
> > > Thanks,  Chris - W6CS - 73
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > >
> > > arm-allstar mailing list
> > > arm-allstar at hamvoip.org
> > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar
> > >
> > > Visit the BBB and RPi2/3 web page - http://hamvoip.org
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > arm-allstar mailing list
> > arm-allstar at hamvoip.org
> > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar
> >
> > Visit the BBB and RPi2/3 web page - http://hamvoip.org
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 19:35:00 -0500 (EST)
> From: David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
> To: "\"Chris Souleles via arm-allstar\"" <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>
> Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] Node Radio
> Message-ID:
>         <Pine.LNX.4.44.1712041926580.16845-100000 at goliath.inttek.net>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> Personally speaking, it's hard to beat surplus commercial gear. I've got
> many Motorola MaxTrac's (45W), MaraTrac's (110W) and GE Rangr's (110W).
> These radios can usually be obtained in the $25 range with some careful
> shopping.
>
> For "ham" duty cycles, turn the MaxTrac's down to about 25W, MaraTrac's
> and Rangr's down to about 80W and provide some steady fan cooling; they'll
> run key-down all day.
>
> ....One thing to remember, though: do provide fan cooling! The fan doesn't
> need to be a bottled tornado, just steady air flow when transmitting.
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017, "Chris Souleles via arm-allstar" wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for an alternative low cost node radio.?? I have built two
> nodes with the BF888, RPI3, DMK URi.?? I'm thinking it would be nice to get
> more power and the option for 2 meters. I use my nodes mobile through a
> hotspot which does not require the power, and I also use them as base nodes
> with a home brew 440 MHz ground plane antenna up about 15 feet.?? Having
> the option to run high or low power, 2 meter or 440 would be nice.
> I am looking at UV-5RHP and UV-82HP.?? I've heard the UV-5R will overheat
> on the high power mode so I assume the HP version would be even worse.?? Is
> this the same situation with the UV-82HP??? ??I will be removing them from
> the case as I did with the BF888 so I don't know if heat will still be a
> problem.
> I see good instructions for modifying the UV-82 on line.?? Are the
> connection points the same on the UV-82HP?
> Any recommendations on choice of node radio would be appreciated.
> Thanks,?? Chris - W6CS - 73
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> arm-allstar mailing list
> arm-allstar at hamvoip.org
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>
> Visit the BBB and RPi2/3 web page - http://hamvoip.org
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 18:27:25 -0600
> From: Benjamin Naber <Benjamin at KB9LFZ.com>
> To: ARM Allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>
> Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] Node Radio
> Message-ID: <1512433645.2489.27.camel at KB9LFZ.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> I agree with Doug.
>
> A surplus commercial radio will do the the trick. While programming can
> *sometimes* be a challenge, searching the internet will yield useful
> results.
>
> I have built a couple nodes using GE MVS radios. They have a well
> suited heat sink, easy to modify, service manuals can be easily found,
> and the programming software is openly available.
>
> We had a node with a UHF GE MVS radio being used as a repeater remote
> base that saw hours of use a day. I had modified the radio for lower RF
> power from 40 to about 5w, with a simple jumper to to bypass the PA.
>
> Using a server power supply, the node ran without an issue. It was
> taken off the air as the internet connection where the repeater remote
> base node decided to became very un-reliable.
>
> ~Benjamin, KB9LFZ
>
>
> On Mon, 2017-12-04 at 11:48 -0500,
> > Chris,
> >
> > ?We use the UV82 in nodes with good success although generally not
> > high
> > power. If you just want two bands that is a good choice. Generally
> > these
> > are only used for portable or mobile nodes with rather poor antennas
> > and
> > limited range. I think I would be careful about running any of the
> > Chinese
> > stuff on fixed good antennas and/or amplifiers. Many of them are not
> > exactly clean on TX output.
> >
> > Unfortunately there is not much mid range cost stuff out there. It is
> > either cheap Chinese or $150 or more. You might consider commercial
> > surplus. There is a lot of Motorola stuff out there from the
> > narrowband
> > switch over and now that we have the ability in the hamvoip code to
> > program
> > them it makes it easier for anyone to get them on the air.
> >
> >
> > *73 Doug*
> >
> > *WA3DSP*
> >
> > *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:12 AM, "Chris Souleles via arm-allstar" <
> > arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm looking for an alternative low cost node radio.??I have built
> > > two
> > > nodes with the BF888, RPI3, DMK URi.??I'm thinking it would be nice
> > > to get
> > > more power and the option for 2 meters. I use my nodes mobile
> > > through a
> > > hotspot which does not require the power, and I also use them as
> > > base nodes
> > > with a home brew 440 MHz ground plane antenna up about 15
> > > feet.??Having the
> > > option to run high or low power, 2 meter or 440 would be nice.
> > > I am looking at UV-5RHP and UV-82HP.??I've heard the UV-5R will
> > > overheat
> > > on the high power mode so I assume the HP version would be even
> > > worse.??Is
> > > this the same situation with the UV-82HP????I will be removing them
> > > from
> > > the case as I did with the BF888 so I don't know if heat will still
> > > be a
> > > problem.
> > > I see good instructions for modifying the UV-82 on line.??Are the
> > > connection points the same on the UV-82HP?
> > > Any recommendations on choice of node radio would be appreciated.
> > > Thanks,??Chris - W6CS - 73
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > >
> > > arm-allstar mailing list
> > > arm-allstar at hamvoip.org
> > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar
> > >
> > > Visit the BBB and RPi2/3 web page - http://hamvoip.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > arm-allstar mailing list
> > arm-allstar at hamvoip.org
> > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar
> >
> > Visit the BBB and RPi2/3 web page - http://hamvoip.org
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:00:10 +0930
> From: "Mal - VK6MT" <vk6mt at hamradio.org.au>
> To: "'BeagleBone Black ARM Allstar'" <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>
> Subject: [arm-allstar] astdb.txt update?
> Message-ID: <009801d36d68$99296690$cb7c33b0$@hamradio.org.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> I have a problem with my astdb.txt not updating in allmon.  It is fine in
> supermon.  As far as I can see there are three places that this file
> appears
> to reside.  One in the http/allmon2 directory, a second in the
> http/supermon
> directory and a third in var/log/asterisk directory (which get updated a
> via
> a cron entry).  It's just the allmon one that I have issues with.
>
>
>
> Can someone point me in the right direction?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Mal
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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