[Arm-allstar-irlp] To ALL Hamvoip IRLP users

[Elden W7LDN]

I am certainly not disagreeing with the pros/cons of the two systems. I
guess my main question was regarding the feelings of the IRLP admins about
the inclusion of the IRLP functionality in the hamvoip distribution to
begin with. It had been part of Allstar but then later removed at their
request if I remember correctly. That was why I was surprised to see it
back.

I forked over good money for a Pi IRLP node a few years back. I had used
IRLP on repeaters long ago and had fond memories. Upon returning, I soon
found out that it was a bit of a ghost town. As a side note... I’ve
recently heard a few IRLP regulars/die-hards that I remember show up on
D-Star and WiRES-X. Even they decided it was time to move on.

I’ll try not to beat this to death. Thank you Doug for responding. And
thanks for all you’re doing for the future of Allstar.


On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:28 AM "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp" <
arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote:

> Elden,
>
>    IRLP is a closed community that has arcane rules. There was a list of
> things that happened that caused the rif and pulling of keys many of which
> I won't go into. We did warn users about this and the IRLP rules in the
> howto. Allstar is free although we do like donations while IRLP requires a
> fee to participate. Apparently users were switching to Hamvoip IRLP and
> then selling or giving away their IRLP hardware and the next owner was
> fraudulently requesting a key.
>
> If you still have real hardware you can switch back to it and request to
> have your key restored by emailing Cameron. Whether he will do that or not
> is still not known. The bottom line here is that he and his henchmen run
> the system and all you followers have to abide by his rules which are
> stated on the IRLP web page. Among other things bridging and anything more
> than one on one contacts except through a reflector are prohibited. If you
> want to be part of it then that is your choice. None of this nonsense would
> ever happen on Allstar. Sometimes you just have to move on.
>
>
> *73 Doug*
>
> *WA3DSP*
>
> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:27 AM "Elden W7LDN via ARM-allstar-irlp" <
> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>
> > Gah! I was just thinking a little more about this. And I remember you
> > saying there were some specific reasons why keys were being revoked.
> > Primarily because of illegitimate key cloning or whatever. So the feature
> > was indeed legit until the IRLP folks concluded that things were
> escalating
> > beyond their control in terms of fraudulent activity by a few bad apples?
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 10:56 PM Elden W7LDN <w7ldn at w7ldn.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I have to say Doug... when I rebuilt my Allstar node a couple of months
> > > ago I was very surprised to see it had IRLP functionality. I assumed
> you
> > > and the IRLP folks had worked out an agreement.
> > >
> > > But it seems now that this wasn’t the case. I would have never
> attempted
> > > to use that feature of hamvoip had I known that.
> > >
> > > I think I’m a little curious what the IRLP folks would do if I just
> > > plugged my official IRLP hardware back in and then complained to them
> > that
> > > it wasn’t working (assuming my key has been revoked).
> > >
> > > Do you think that they feel using the IRLP feature of hamvoip violates
> > the
> > > IRLP license agreement? And the result is a permanent revocation? I
> guess
> > > we wouldn’t know if they were willing to reinstate one’s key until
> > someone
> > > tries. I don’t feel very good about my $400 piece of hardware becoming
> a
> > > paperweight because I used what I thought was a legit feature.
> > >
> > > I’m a little surprised that hamvoip would offer an unauthorized method
> > for
> > > accessing a network where the folks who run that network are known to
> be
> > > against such things.
> > >
> > > Was the IRLP feature of hamvoip approved by the IRLP folks at one time
> > and
> > > then later disapproved?
> > >
> > > If I am wrong I would very much like to be corrected. I will be the
> first
> > > to admit I know very little of the specifics of the situation. What I
> > have
> > > said above reflects only what I think I know. I would very much like it
> > not
> > > to be true.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 9:53 PM "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp" <
> > > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> We do not plan on taking out the current IRLP modules from the Hamvoip
> > >> code
> > >> but if you are running IRLP it is likely your keys were pulled by the
> > IRLP
> > >> admin.  If this is the case we recommend that you turn off your IRLP
> by
> > >> doing the following two things -
> > >>
> > >> In the /usr/local/etc/allstar.env  file comment the
> > >>
> > >> exportIRLP="enabled"
> > >>
> > >> to
> > >>
> > >> #exportIRLP="enabled"
> > >>
> > >> Also you can turn off the IRLP module -
> > >>
> > >> In the /etc/asterisk/modules.conf file change (uncomment)  -
> > >>
> > >> ;noload=chan_irlp.so
> > >>
> > >> to
> > >>
> > >> noload=chan_irlp.so
> > >>
> > >> Then reboot for the changes to take effect.
> > >>
> > >> This will disable your IRLP node. If for some reason you want to
> > re-enable
> > >> it in the future it is just a matter of reversing these two items.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> *73 Doug*
> > >>
> > >> *WA3DSP*
> > >>
> > >> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*
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