[Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users

Jed Barton jed at jedbarton.com
Wed Jan 15 00:13:32 EST 2020 

Here's what it comes down to, it's Dave's kingdom on IRLP. I'm so
happy to be part of allstar.  I should have done it years ago.  Let
the fun begin.  I'm having a blast.

On 1/14/20, "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp"
<arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote:
> Darrell,
>
>   I think many will do what you are doing and I really don't think the IRLP
> admin really cares. We need to educate and get as many IRLP users as we can
> over to Hamvoip. As for the hardware left hanging it is nothing different
> than any other product we leave behind. Times change and things get better.
> Move on!
>
>
> *73 Doug*
>
> *WA3DSP*
>
> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:13 PM "Darrell Wilkinson via ARM-allstar-irlp" <
> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>
>> One of my IRLP nodes has been taken away that was gifted to me by another
>> ham, I surmise they didn't get my other one because it wasn't online at
>> the
>> time. Irlp however is as far as it will ever go development wise from the
>> day it came out and even then it was already out of date.  I suspect by
>> the
>> end of this round of node# removals IRLP will not have very many hams
>> using
>> it anymore. Who could blame them, like many of you I to am done with the
>> B.S. coming from IRLP and will not even try to get my node# re-instated.
>> it's just not worth it . I guess I will just keep the V3 board I have and
>> add it to the collection of what was. For those of you who spent alot of
>> $$$ for your node's Sorry, I about bet IRLP won't be around anymore within
>> a year or two. Do yourself a favor trash your IRLP and move on to ALLSTAR.
>> I say let's send a clear message to Dave Camron by not buying any of his
>> JUNK(as one person wrote) Let's face it sooner or later IRLP will be dead
>> anyway so why keep beating a dead horse
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 2:27 PM "Randy Neals via ARM-allstar-irlp" <
>> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Biggest threat to IRLP’s future maybe?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 3:59 AM "wl7lp via ARM-allstar-irlp" <
>> > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > What I'd like to know is why Hamvoip IRLP node was singled out and
>> > > all
>> > > the ASL irlp bridged nodes are still up and running connected to IRLP
>> > > reflectors? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>> > > -------- Original message --------From: Tony via ARM-allstar-irlp <
>> > > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> Date: 1/13/20  9:47 PM  (GMT-09:00) To:
>> > > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org Cc: Tony <node4139x at gmail.com> Subject:
>> Re:
>> > > [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users Very
>> > well-put,
>> > > David.On 1/13/20 6:10 PM, "David McGough via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:>
>> > > Fred,>> HamVoIP and AllStar are not dependent on any external servers.
>> > You
>> > > can> setup completely private networks, even build your own network
>> from>
>> > > scratch, if you wanted to. Many have built and run their own
>> > > networks,>
>> > > including me.>> In their default setups, both IRLP and AllStar depend
>> on
>> > > central servers> to provide a frequently updated mapping of IP
>> addresses
>> > to
>> > > nodes. This is> needed only if IP addresses change, unneeded if all
>> > > the
>> > > addresses are> static.  The IRLP servers also provide updated public
>> PGP
>> > > keyrings.>> AllStar has numerous advantages over IRLP. Some are: true
>> > > full-duplex> communications, each node is a full "reflector," allowing
>> > > many> simultaneous in-bound and out-bound connections, many more
>> CODECs>
>> > > available, fully integrated repeater control is built-in, flexible>
>> > > software-based bridging is easily setup, if desired, only one single
>> UDP>
>> > > port is needed, IAX2 provides packet jitter-buffering, automatically>
>> > > compensating for network latency changes, there are MANY sources of>
>> > > compatible hardware, you're not locked into a single source and the
>> list>
>> > > goes on and on.>> Honestly, I'm not aware of any area where IRLP has
>> > > superiority, at this> point?? I know some persons have commented about
>> > > IRLP's PGP node> authentication for security. I guess it should be
>> > pointed
>> > > out that IRLP's> version of PGP uses RSA-512 keys, which were
>> considered
>> > > obsolete 20 years> ago. These keys were first cracked in 1999!  Today,
>> > > RSA-512 private keys> can be revealed within a few hours by any hacker
>> > who
>> > > might happen to take> interest.>> Doug's comments were spot-on. There
>> was
>> > > no slander.  There is a huge> learning curve with AllStar, I won't
>> > > deny
>> > > that. It's truly ashame that the> IRLP world seems to want to maintain
>> an
>> > > isolationist policy all the way to> the end.  The pages of history are
>> > > turning.>>> 73, David KB4FXC>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2020, "w5mgm--- via
>> > > ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:>>> Doug,>       There's a lot of reasons that
>> > some
>> > > of use IRLP.  Perfect example> is right now the way the Allstar system
>> is
>> > > set up, it depends on> Allstar's servers for my node to maintain a
>> > > connection to other nodes.> With IRLP, once my node is connected to
>> > another
>> > > node or reflector,> IRLP's servers are not needed to keep the
>> connection
>> > > alive.   So if> David Cameron shut down shop tomorrow, all of our IRLP
>> > > systems would> still work, there just wouldn't be any new nodes added
>> to
>> > > the network.> I don't believe we can say the same if Allstar's servers
>> > were
>> > > to all> be shutdown.   That being said, why you would put down and
>> > slander
>> > > IRLP> is beyond me.>> Fred> W5MGM>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM,
>> > > Doug
>> > > Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp <arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>
>> wrote:>>>>
>> > > Larry,>>>>   Sorry to hear you are down with the flu. I wish you a
>> > > speedy recovery.>>>> As far as IRLP is concerned I really think its
>> days
>> > > are numbered. It is>> very insecure, so much less feature enhanced,
>> > > and
>> > > generally outdated>> compared to Hamvoip Allstar. Why anyone would run
>> > IRLP
>> > > with Hamvoip being>> available is beyond me. As you know I ran IRLP
>> > > for
>> > > about a year about 8>> years ago now. That may have been how we met.
>> > Anyhow
>> > > I quickly realized>> that is was not for me mainly because of the
>> > politics
>> > > and so called rules>> not to mention the vast superiority of Allstar.
>> > > I
>> > > would encourage you to>> get people that you know on IRLP over on
>> > Allstar.
>> > > It is easy to do and for>> those that have a real IRLP Pi system using
>> a
>> > Pi
>> > > 2 or newer it would cost>> less than $60 to do it. If anyone needs
>> > > help
>> > > referring them to hamvoip.org>> and my email. For those Hamvoip users
>> > > that have added IRLP most reflectors>> have Allstar inputs so there is
>> no
>> > > reason to connect using IRLP. This>> latest tactic by Cameron and his
>> > > henchmen will only bring more people to>> Allstar.>>>>>> *73 Doug*>>>>
>> > > *WA3DSP*>>>> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <
>> > > http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*>>>>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 3:12
>> PM
>> > > "Larry via ARM-allstar-irlp" <>>> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>
>> > > wrote:>>>>>> Good afternoon Doug, hope you and yours had a great
>> > holiday. I
>> > > think IRLP>>> admin blocked my node (8277). I've had this node from
>> > > the
>> > > beginning at>>> lesst>>> 15-20 years. Software & hardware brought from
>> > > IRLP. Don't have any>>> receipts.>>> Who keeps receipts after 5 years,
>> > > unless it's taxes Hi. I think I saw>>> something a few years back
>> > > about
>> > > hams downloading IRLP with out buying to>>> get a node #. I'll stay
>> tune,
>> > > only use IRLP to chat with friends on 9613.>>> Oh>>> yea he knows
>> > > about
>> > > Allstar, can't teach a old DOG new tricks.>>>>>> Take care trying to
>> get
>> > > over this flu!>>> Slowly trying to get my e-mails over to
>> > > contact at n3vsi.com>>> So far I'm getting the ARM- allstar Digest at
>> that
>> > > e-mail>>>>>> Contact me>>> contact at n3vsi.com>>> You have my home #>>>
>> > > Later>>> Larry N3vsi>>>>>> -----Original Message----->>> From: "Doug
>> > > Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp">>> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020
>> > 1:02>>>
>> > > To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> Cc: Doug Crompton>>> Subject:
>> > > [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users>>>>>> It
>> has
>> > > come to our attention that some of the Hamvoip IRLP module users>>>
>> > > can
>> > no
>> > > longer connect to IRLP nodes or reflectors. This is because the>>>
>> > > IRLP
>> > > public keys for these nodes have been pulled by the IRLP
>> > > management.>>>
>> > We
>> > > have learned that some Hamvoip users may have fraudulently acquired>>>
>> > keys
>> > > and otherwise frustrated the IRLP management. We warned people in
>> our>>>
>> > > howto that the IRLP system is a closely controlled system and keys
>> are>>>
>> > > sold with the IRLP hardware. Only users who actually buy hardware or
>> > > keys>>> from IRLP are authorized into the system. The Hamvoip IRLP
>> > gateway
>> > > was>>> intended to allow real and authorized IRLP users who had
>> hardware
>> > > to>>> integrate it into one Pi system with Hamvoip code. We also
>> > > warned
>> > > users of>>> Hamvoip IRLP that they were to come to us first (this
>> > > list)
>> > NOT
>> > > the IRLP>>> forums for help and apparently that has not always been
>> > > the
>> > > case.>>>>>> We are currently working with the IRLP management, trying
>> to
>> > > resolve their>>> concerns. If your Hamvoip IRLP node has stopped
>> working,
>> > > it is most likely>>> because your key or the key of the node you are
>> > trying
>> > > to connect to has>>> been removed.  Many IRLP users and reflectors
>> > > also
>> > > have connectivity to>>> AllStar. If you're trying to connect to a
>> system
>> > > that already provides a>>> bridge to AllStar, don't connect via IRLP,
>> use
>> > > AllStar!>>>>>> If you have an IRLP system that you bought and you own
>> the
>> > > keys for and>>> you converted it to Hamvoip and retired the original
>> IRLP
>> > > hardware, then>>> you should in our opinion be entitled to retain your
>> > key
>> > > and use IRLP.>>> But that hardware is not to be sold to someone else
>> > > to
>> > > again obtain>>> another key fraudulently.. These are not our rules.
>> > Hamvoip
>> > > code and>>> operation is totally free and based on donations, IRLP is
>> > not.
>> > > They make>>> money to support their operational expenses based on the
>> > sale
>> > > of hardware.>>> If they want to sell keys minus hardware it is up to
>> > them,
>> > > but understand>>> we have no control over that. If you have a fully
>> legal
>> > > IRLP node that you>>> purchased and own the key for and it is not
>> working
>> > > then you should>>> contact Dave Cameron directly with a plea to
>> reinstate
>> > > your key. Before>>> contacting Dave Cameron, it would be best to
>> > > locate
>> > > proof, if possible,>>> that you are the legitimate IRLP node
>> owner.>>>>>>
>> > > We apologize for this inconvenience but IRLP users have to understand
>> > > the>>> substantial difference in nature both operationally and
>> > politically
>> > > between>>> Hamvoip and IRLP. You do have a choice! We have in the past
>> > > expressed the>>> considerable advantages in using Hamvoip Allstar vs.
>> > IRLP
>> > > which are too>>> numerous to list here.>>>
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