[Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users

Tue Jan 14 16:55:42 EST 2020

Darrell,

  I think many will do what you are doing and I really don't think the IRLP
admin really cares. We need to educate and get as many IRLP users as we can
over to Hamvoip. As for the hardware left hanging it is nothing different
than any other product we leave behind. Times change and things get better.
Move on!

*73 Doug*

*WA3DSP*

*http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:13 PM "Darrell Wilkinson via ARM-allstar-irlp" <
arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote:

> One of my IRLP nodes has been taken away that was gifted to me by another
> ham, I surmise they didn't get my other one because it wasn't online at the
> time. Irlp however is as far as it will ever go development wise from the
> day it came out and even then it was already out of date.  I suspect by the
> end of this round of node# removals IRLP will not have very many hams using
> it anymore. Who could blame them, like many of you I to am done with the
> B.S. coming from IRLP and will not even try to get my node# re-instated.
> it's just not worth it . I guess I will just keep the V3 board I have and
> add it to the collection of what was. For those of you who spent alot of
> $$$ for your node's Sorry, I about bet IRLP won't be around anymore within
> a year or two. Do yourself a favor trash your IRLP and move on to ALLSTAR.
> I say let's send a clear message to Dave Camron by not buying any of his
> JUNK(as one person wrote) Let's face it sooner or later IRLP will be dead
> anyway so why keep beating a dead horse
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 2:27 PM "Randy Neals via ARM-allstar-irlp" <
> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>
> > Biggest threat to IRLP’s future maybe?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 3:59 AM "wl7lp via ARM-allstar-irlp" <
> > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote:
> >
> > > What I'd like to know is why Hamvoip IRLP node was singled out and  all
> > > the ASL irlp bridged nodes are still up and running connected to IRLP
> > > reflectors? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> > > -------- Original message --------From: Tony via ARM-allstar-irlp <
> > > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> Date: 1/13/20  9:47 PM  (GMT-09:00) To:
> > > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org Cc: Tony <node4139x at gmail.com> Subject:
> Re:
> > > [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users Very
> > well-put,
> > > David.On 1/13/20 6:10 PM, "David McGough via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:>
> > > Fred,>> HamVoIP and AllStar are not dependent on any external servers.
> > You
> > > can> setup completely private networks, even build your own network
> from>
> > > scratch, if you wanted to. Many have built and run their own networks,>
> > > including me.>> In their default setups, both IRLP and AllStar depend
> on
> > > central servers> to provide a frequently updated mapping of IP
> addresses
> > to
> > > nodes. This is> needed only if IP addresses change, unneeded if all the
> > > addresses are> static.  The IRLP servers also provide updated public
> PGP
> > > keyrings.>> AllStar has numerous advantages over IRLP. Some are: true
> > > full-duplex> communications, each node is a full "reflector," allowing
> > > many> simultaneous in-bound and out-bound connections, many more
> CODECs>
> > > available, fully integrated repeater control is built-in, flexible>
> > > software-based bridging is easily setup, if desired, only one single
> UDP>
> > > port is needed, IAX2 provides packet jitter-buffering, automatically>
> > > compensating for network latency changes, there are MANY sources of>
> > > compatible hardware, you're not locked into a single source and the
> list>
> > > goes on and on.>> Honestly, I'm not aware of any area where IRLP has
> > > superiority, at this> point?? I know some persons have commented about
> > > IRLP's PGP node> authentication for security. I guess it should be
> > pointed
> > > out that IRLP's> version of PGP uses RSA-512 keys, which were
> considered
> > > obsolete 20 years> ago. These keys were first cracked in 1999!  Today,
> > > RSA-512 private keys> can be revealed within a few hours by any hacker
> > who
> > > might happen to take> interest.>> Doug's comments were spot-on. There
> was
> > > no slander.  There is a huge> learning curve with AllStar, I won't deny
> > > that. It's truly ashame that the> IRLP world seems to want to maintain
> an
> > > isolationist policy all the way to> the end.  The pages of history are
> > > turning.>>> 73, David KB4FXC>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2020, "w5mgm--- via
> > > ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:>>> Doug,>       There's a lot of reasons that
> > some
> > > of use IRLP.  Perfect example> is right now the way the Allstar system
> is
> > > set up, it depends on> Allstar's servers for my node to maintain a
> > > connection to other nodes.> With IRLP, once my node is connected to
> > another
> > > node or reflector,> IRLP's servers are not needed to keep the
> connection
> > > alive.   So if> David Cameron shut down shop tomorrow, all of our IRLP
> > > systems would> still work, there just wouldn't be any new nodes added
> to
> > > the network.> I don't believe we can say the same if Allstar's servers
> > were
> > > to all> be shutdown.   That being said, why you would put down and
> > slander
> > > IRLP> is beyond me.>> Fred> W5MGM>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM, Doug
> > > Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp <arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>
> wrote:>>>>
> > > ï»¿Larry,>>>>   Sorry to hear you are down with the flu. I wish you a
> > > speedy recovery.>>>> As far as IRLP is concerned I really think its
> days
> > > are numbered. It is>> very insecure, so much less feature enhanced, and
> > > generally outdated>> compared to Hamvoip Allstar. Why anyone would run
> > IRLP
> > > with Hamvoip being>> available is beyond me. As you know I ran IRLP for
> > > about a year about 8>> years ago now. That may have been how we met.
> > Anyhow
> > > I quickly realized>> that is was not for me mainly because of the
> > politics
> > > and so called rules>> not to mention the vast superiority of Allstar. I
> > > would encourage you to>> get people that you know on IRLP over on
> > Allstar.
> > > It is easy to do and for>> those that have a real IRLP Pi system using
> a
> > Pi
> > > 2 or newer it would cost>> less than $60 to do it. If anyone needs help
> > > referring them to hamvoip.org>> and my email. For those Hamvoip users
> > > that have added IRLP most reflectors>> have Allstar inputs so there is
> no
> > > reason to connect using IRLP. This>> latest tactic by Cameron and his
> > > henchmen will only bring more people to>> Allstar.>>>>>> *73 Doug*>>>>
> > > *WA3DSP*>>>> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <
> > > http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*>>>>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 3:12
> PM
> > > "Larry via ARM-allstar-irlp" <>>> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>
> > > wrote:>>>>>> Good afternoon Doug, hope you and yours had a great
> > holiday. I
> > > think IRLP>>> admin blocked my node (8277). I've had this node from the
> > > beginning at>>> lesst>>> 15-20 years. Software & hardware brought from
> > > IRLP. Don't have any>>> receipts.>>> Who keeps receipts after 5 years,
> > > unless it's taxes Hi. I think I saw>>> something a few years back about
> > > hams downloading IRLP with out buying to>>> get a node #. I'll stay
> tune,
> > > only use IRLP to chat with friends on 9613.>>> Oh>>> yea he knows about
> > > Allstar, can't teach a old DOG new tricks.>>>>>> Take care trying to
> get
> > > over this flu!>>> Slowly trying to get my e-mails over to
> > > contact at n3vsi.com>>> So far I'm getting the ARM- allstar Digest at
> that
> > > e-mail>>>>>> Contact me>>> contact at n3vsi.com>>> You have my home #>>>
> > > Later>>> Larry N3vsi>>>>>> -----Original Message----->>> From: "Doug
> > > Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp">>> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020
> > 1:02>>>
> > > To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> Cc: Doug Crompton>>> Subject:
> > > [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users>>>>>> It
> has
> > > come to our attention that some of the Hamvoip IRLP module users>>> can
> > no
> > > longer connect to IRLP nodes or reflectors. This is because the>>> IRLP
> > > public keys for these nodes have been pulled by the IRLP management.>>>
> > We
> > > have learned that some Hamvoip users may have fraudulently acquired>>>
> > keys
> > > and otherwise frustrated the IRLP management. We warned people in
> our>>>
> > > howto that the IRLP system is a closely controlled system and keys
> are>>>
> > > sold with the IRLP hardware. Only users who actually buy hardware or
> > > keys>>> from IRLP are authorized into the system. The Hamvoip IRLP
> > gateway
> > > was>>> intended to allow real and authorized IRLP users who had
> hardware
> > > to>>> integrate it into one Pi system with Hamvoip code. We also warned
> > > users of>>> Hamvoip IRLP that they were to come to us first (this list)
> > NOT
> > > the IRLP>>> forums for help and apparently that has not always been the
> > > case.>>>>>> We are currently working with the IRLP management, trying
> to
> > > resolve their>>> concerns. If your Hamvoip IRLP node has stopped
> working,
> > > it is most likely>>> because your key or the key of the node you are
> > trying
> > > to connect to has>>> been removed.  Many IRLP users and reflectors also
> > > have connectivity to>>> AllStar. If you're trying to connect to a
> system
> > > that already provides a>>> bridge to AllStar, don't connect via IRLP,
> use
> > > AllStar!>>>>>> If you have an IRLP system that you bought and you own
> the
> > > keys for and>>> you converted it to Hamvoip and retired the original
> IRLP
> > > hardware, then>>> you should in our opinion be entitled to retain your
> > key
> > > and use IRLP.>>> But that hardware is not to be sold to someone else to
> > > again obtain>>> another key fraudulently.. These are not our rules.
> > Hamvoip
> > > code and>>> operation is totally free and based on donations, IRLP is
> > not.
> > > They make>>> money to support their operational expenses based on the
> > sale
> > > of hardware.>>> If they want to sell keys minus hardware it is up to
> > them,
> > > but understand>>> we have no control over that. If you have a fully
> legal
> > > IRLP node that you>>> purchased and own the key for and it is not
> working
> > > then you should>>> contact Dave Cameron directly with a plea to
> reinstate
> > > your key. Before>>> contacting Dave Cameron, it would be best to locate
> > > proof, if possible,>>> that you are the legitimate IRLP node
> owner.>>>>>>
> > > We apologize for this inconvenience but IRLP users have to understand
> > > the>>> substantial difference in nature both operationally and
> > politically
> > > between>>> Hamvoip and IRLP. You do have a choice! We have in the past
> > > expressed the>>> considerable advantages in using Hamvoip Allstar vs.
> > IRLP
> > > which are too>>> numerous to list here.>>>
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