[Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users

Tue Jan 14 01:55:10 EST 2020

Like literally all we Allstar guys need to do is exchange IP info and we can connect any time 24/7 whether David Cameron’s shit is running or not. You IRLP guys are beholden to him, if he pulls the plug you are all SOL.

Allstar could drop dead 100% tomorrow as an organization and every one of the nodes would work because there would be a sudden mass exchange of IP’s via email. 

Good riddance, IRLP.

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> On Jan 14, 2020, at 12:47 AM, Tony via ARM-allstar-irlp <arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote:
> 
> Very well-put, David.
> 
>> On 1/13/20 6:10 PM, "David McGough via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:
>> Fred,
>> 
>> HamVoIP and AllStar are not dependent on any external servers. You can
>> setup completely private networks, even build your own network from
>> scratch, if you wanted to. Many have built and run their own networks,
>> including me.
>> 
>> In their default setups, both IRLP and AllStar depend on central servers
>> to provide a frequently updated mapping of IP addresses to nodes. This is
>> needed only if IP addresses change, unneeded if all the addresses are
>> static.  The IRLP servers also provide updated public PGP keyrings.
>> 
>> AllStar has numerous advantages over IRLP. Some are: true full-duplex
>> communications, each node is a full "reflector," allowing many
>> simultaneous in-bound and out-bound connections, many more CODECs
>> available, fully integrated repeater control is built-in, flexible
>> software-based bridging is easily setup, if desired, only one single UDP
>> port is needed, IAX2 provides packet jitter-buffering, automatically
>> compensating for network latency changes, there are MANY sources of
>> compatible hardware, you're not locked into a single source and the list
>> goes on and on.
>> 
>> Honestly, I'm not aware of any area where IRLP has superiority, at this
>> point?? I know some persons have commented about IRLP's PGP node
>> authentication for security. I guess it should be pointed out that IRLP's
>> version of PGP uses RSA-512 keys, which were considered obsolete 20 years
>> ago. These keys were first cracked in 1999!  Today, RSA-512 private keys
>> can be revealed within a few hours by any hacker who might happen to take
>> interest.
>> 
>> Doug's comments were spot-on. There was no slander.  There is a huge
>> learning curve with AllStar, I won't deny that. It's truly ashame that the
>> IRLP world seems to want to maintain an isolationist policy all the way to
>> the end.  The pages of history are turning.
>> 
>> 
>> 73, David KB4FXC
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2020, "w5mgm--- via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:
>>> 
>>> Doug,
>>      There's a lot of reasons that some of use IRLP.  Perfect example
>> is right now the way the Allstar system is set up, it depends on
>> Allstar's servers for my node to maintain a connection to other nodes.
>> With IRLP, once my node is connected to another node or reflector,
>> IRLP's servers are not needed to keep the connection alive.   So if
>> David Cameron shut down shop tomorrow, all of our IRLP systems would
>> still work, there just wouldn't be any new nodes added to the network.
>> I don't believe we can say the same if Allstar's servers were to all
>> be shutdown.   That being said, why you would put down and slander IRLP
>> is beyond me.
>> 
>> Fred
>> W5MGM
>> 
>>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM, Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp <arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ï»¿Larry,
>>> 
>>>  Sorry to hear you are down with the flu. I wish you a speedy recovery.
>>> 
>>> As far as IRLP is concerned I really think its days are numbered. It is
>>> very insecure, so much less feature enhanced, and generally outdated
>>> compared to Hamvoip Allstar. Why anyone would run IRLP with Hamvoip being
>>> available is beyond me. As you know I ran IRLP for about a year about 8
>>> years ago now. That may have been how we met. Anyhow I quickly realized
>>> that is was not for me mainly because of the politics and so called rules
>>> not to mention the vast superiority of Allstar. I would encourage you to
>>> get people that you know on IRLP over on Allstar. It is easy to do and for
>>> those that have a real IRLP Pi system using a Pi 2 or newer it would cost
>>> less than $60 to do it. If anyone needs help referring them to hamvoip.org
>>> and my email. For those Hamvoip users that have added IRLP most reflectors
>>> have Allstar inputs so there is no reason to connect using IRLP. This
>>> latest tactic by Cameron and his henchmen will only bring more people to
>>> Allstar.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *73 Doug*
>>> 
>>> *WA3DSP*
>>> 
>>> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 3:12 PM "Larry via ARM-allstar-irlp" <
>>>> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Good afternoon Doug, hope you and yours had a great holiday. I think IRLP
>>>> admin blocked my node (8277). I've had this node from the beginning at
>>>> lesst
>>>> 15-20 years. Software & hardware brought from IRLP. Don't have any
>>>> receipts.
>>>> Who keeps receipts after 5 years, unless it's taxes Hi. I think I saw
>>>> something a few years back about hams downloading IRLP with out buying to
>>>> get a node #. I'll stay tune, only use IRLP to chat with friends on 9613.
>>>> Oh
>>>> yea he knows about Allstar, can't teach a old DOG new tricks.
>>>> 
>>>> Take care trying to get over this flu!
>>>> Slowly trying to get my e-mails over to contact at n3vsi.com
>>>> So far I'm getting the ARM- allstar Digest at that e-mail
>>>> 
>>>> Contact me
>>>> contact at n3vsi.com
>>>> You have my home #
>>>> Later
>>>> Larry N3vsi
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp"
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:02
>>>> To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org
>>>> Cc: Doug Crompton
>>>> Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users
>>>> 
>>>> It has come to our attention that some of the Hamvoip IRLP module users
>>>> can no longer connect to IRLP nodes or reflectors. This is because the
>>>> IRLP public keys for these nodes have been pulled by the IRLP management.
>>>> We have learned that some Hamvoip users may have fraudulently acquired
>>>> keys and otherwise frustrated the IRLP management. We warned people in our
>>>> howto that the IRLP system is a closely controlled system and keys are
>>>> sold with the IRLP hardware. Only users who actually buy hardware or keys
>>>> from IRLP are authorized into the system. The Hamvoip IRLP gateway was
>>>> intended to allow real and authorized IRLP users who had hardware to
>>>> integrate it into one Pi system with Hamvoip code. We also warned users of
>>>> Hamvoip IRLP that they were to come to us first (this list) NOT the IRLP
>>>> forums for help and apparently that has not always been the case.
>>>> 
>>>> We are currently working with the IRLP management, trying to resolve their
>>>> concerns. If your Hamvoip IRLP node has stopped working, it is most likely
>>>> because your key or the key of the node you are trying to connect to has
>>>> been removed.  Many IRLP users and reflectors also have connectivity to
>>>> AllStar. If you're trying to connect to a system that already provides a
>>>> bridge to AllStar, don't connect via IRLP, use AllStar!
>>>> 
>>>> If you have an IRLP system that you bought and you own the keys for and
>>>> you converted it to Hamvoip and retired the original IRLP hardware, then
>>>> you should in our opinion be entitled to retain your key and use IRLP.
>>>> But that hardware is not to be sold to someone else to again obtain
>>>> another key fraudulently.. These are not our rules. Hamvoip code and
>>>> operation is totally free and based on donations, IRLP is not. They make
>>>> money to support their operational expenses based on the sale of hardware.
>>>> If they want to sell keys minus hardware it is up to them, but understand
>>>> we have no control over that. If you have a fully legal IRLP node that you
>>>> purchased and own the key for and it is not working then you should
>>>> contact Dave Cameron directly with a plea to reinstate your key. Before
>>>> contacting Dave Cameron, it would be best to locate proof, if possible,
>>>> that you are the legitimate IRLP node owner.
>>>> 
>>>> We apologize for this inconvenience but IRLP users have to understand the
>>>> substantial difference in nature both operationally and politically between
>>>> Hamvoip and IRLP. You do have a choice! We have in the past expressed the
>>>> considerable advantages in using Hamvoip Allstar vs. IRLP which are too
>>>> numerous to list here.
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