[Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users

Tony node4139x at gmail.com
Tue Jan 14 01:47:38 EST 2020

Very well-put, David.

On 1/13/20 6:10 PM, "David McGough via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:
> Fred,
> HamVoIP and AllStar are not dependent on any external servers. You can
> setup completely private networks, even build your own network from
> scratch, if you wanted to. Many have built and run their own networks,
> including me.
> In their default setups, both IRLP and AllStar depend on central servers
> to provide a frequently updated mapping of IP addresses to nodes. This is
> needed only if IP addresses change, unneeded if all the addresses are
> static.  The IRLP servers also provide updated public PGP keyrings.
> AllStar has numerous advantages over IRLP. Some are: true full-duplex
> communications, each node is a full "reflector," allowing many
> simultaneous in-bound and out-bound connections, many more CODECs
> available, fully integrated repeater control is built-in, flexible
> software-based bridging is easily setup, if desired, only one single UDP
> port is needed, IAX2 provides packet jitter-buffering, automatically
> compensating for network latency changes, there are MANY sources of
> compatible hardware, you're not locked into a single source and the list
> goes on and on.
> Honestly, I'm not aware of any area where IRLP has superiority, at this
> point?? I know some persons have commented about IRLP's PGP node
> authentication for security. I guess it should be pointed out that IRLP's
> version of PGP uses RSA-512 keys, which were considered obsolete 20 years
> ago. These keys were first cracked in 1999!  Today, RSA-512 private keys
> can be revealed within a few hours by any hacker who might happen to take
> interest.
> Doug's comments were spot-on. There was no slander.  There is a huge
> learning curve with AllStar, I won't deny that. It's truly ashame that the
> IRLP world seems to want to maintain an isolationist policy all the way to
> the end.  The pages of history are turning.
> 73, David KB4FXC
> On Mon, 13 Jan 2020, "w5mgm--- via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:
>> Doug,
>       There's a lot of reasons that some of use IRLP.  Perfect example
> is right now the way the Allstar system is set up, it depends on
> Allstar's servers for my node to maintain a connection to other nodes.
> With IRLP, once my node is connected to another node or reflector,
> IRLP's servers are not needed to keep the connection alive.   So if
> David Cameron shut down shop tomorrow, all of our IRLP systems would
> still work, there just wouldn't be any new nodes added to the network.
> I don't believe we can say the same if Allstar's servers were to all
> be shutdown.   That being said, why you would put down and slander IRLP
> is beyond me.
> Fred
>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM, Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp <arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>> Larry,
>>   Sorry to hear you are down with the flu. I wish you a speedy recovery.
>> As far as IRLP is concerned I really think its days are numbered. It is
>> very insecure, so much less feature enhanced, and generally outdated
>> compared to Hamvoip Allstar. Why anyone would run IRLP with Hamvoip being
>> available is beyond me. As you know I ran IRLP for about a year about 8
>> years ago now. That may have been how we met. Anyhow I quickly realized
>> that is was not for me mainly because of the politics and so called rules
>> not to mention the vast superiority of Allstar. I would encourage you to
>> get people that you know on IRLP over on Allstar. It is easy to do and for
>> those that have a real IRLP Pi system using a Pi 2 or newer it would cost
>> less than $60 to do it. If anyone needs help referring them to hamvoip.org
>> and my email. For those Hamvoip users that have added IRLP most reflectors
>> have Allstar inputs so there is no reason to connect using IRLP. This
>> latest tactic by Cameron and his henchmen will only bring more people to
>> Allstar.
>> *73 Doug*
>> *WA3DSP*
>> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*
>>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 3:12 PM "Larry via ARM-allstar-irlp" <
>>> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>>> Good afternoon Doug, hope you and yours had a great holiday. I think IRLP
>>> admin blocked my node (8277). I've had this node from the beginning at
>>> lesst
>>> 15-20 years. Software & hardware brought from IRLP. Don't have any
>>> receipts.
>>> Who keeps receipts after 5 years, unless it's taxes Hi. I think I saw
>>> something a few years back about hams downloading IRLP with out buying to
>>> get a node #. I'll stay tune, only use IRLP to chat with friends on 9613.
>>> Oh
>>> yea he knows about Allstar, can't teach a old DOG new tricks.
>>> Take care trying to get over this flu!
>>> Slowly trying to get my e-mails over to contact at n3vsi.com
>>> So far I'm getting the ARM- allstar Digest at that e-mail
>>> Contact me
>>> contact at n3vsi.com
>>> You have my home #
>>> Later
>>> Larry N3vsi
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp"
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:02
>>> To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org
>>> Cc: Doug Crompton
>>> Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users
>>> It has come to our attention that some of the Hamvoip IRLP module users
>>> can no longer connect to IRLP nodes or reflectors. This is because the
>>> IRLP public keys for these nodes have been pulled by the IRLP management.
>>> We have learned that some Hamvoip users may have fraudulently acquired
>>> keys and otherwise frustrated the IRLP management. We warned people in our
>>> howto that the IRLP system is a closely controlled system and keys are
>>> sold with the IRLP hardware. Only users who actually buy hardware or keys
>>> from IRLP are authorized into the system. The Hamvoip IRLP gateway was
>>> intended to allow real and authorized IRLP users who had hardware to
>>> integrate it into one Pi system with Hamvoip code. We also warned users of
>>> Hamvoip IRLP that they were to come to us first (this list) NOT the IRLP
>>> forums for help and apparently that has not always been the case.
>>> We are currently working with the IRLP management, trying to resolve their
>>> concerns. If your Hamvoip IRLP node has stopped working, it is most likely
>>> because your key or the key of the node you are trying to connect to has
>>> been removed.  Many IRLP users and reflectors also have connectivity to
>>> AllStar. If you're trying to connect to a system that already provides a
>>> bridge to AllStar, don't connect via IRLP, use AllStar!
>>> If you have an IRLP system that you bought and you own the keys for and
>>> you converted it to Hamvoip and retired the original IRLP hardware, then
>>> you should in our opinion be entitled to retain your key and use IRLP.
>>> But that hardware is not to be sold to someone else to again obtain
>>> another key fraudulently.. These are not our rules. Hamvoip code and
>>> operation is totally free and based on donations, IRLP is not. They make
>>> money to support their operational expenses based on the sale of hardware.
>>> If they want to sell keys minus hardware it is up to them, but understand
>>> we have no control over that. If you have a fully legal IRLP node that you
>>> purchased and own the key for and it is not working then you should
>>> contact Dave Cameron directly with a plea to reinstate your key. Before
>>> contacting Dave Cameron, it would be best to locate proof, if possible,
>>> that you are the legitimate IRLP node owner.
>>> We apologize for this inconvenience but IRLP users have to understand the
>>> substantial difference in nature both operationally and politically between
>>> Hamvoip and IRLP. You do have a choice! We have in the past expressed the
>>> considerable advantages in using Hamvoip Allstar vs. IRLP which are too
>>> numerous to list here.
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