<div dir="ltr"><div>I figured I'd throw an update out here. Over the weekend I tried coiling up all the cables tightly, and strategically added snap on ferrites where applicable. A little over 24 hours later another failure. I then replaced the 12v to 5v converter that supplies power to the pi. Just over 48 hours now and so far so good. Its run a week or more without failing in the past so im not celebrating yet, but keeping my fingers crossed.</div><div><br></div><div>@Doug, I included a couple of pics here. I have 2 new batteries on order that should be in tomorrow and i'll add a pic of the battery array with my next update. Its worth noting something about that the "mini barn" in the picture that my solar panel and mast is on. I set out last summer to build a 10 x 10, 6 foot tall shed. Somewhere along the way I got a little carried away and built what you see in the pic ..... It think thinking that it would be a good place for an antenna mast is what got me off track :p</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Phil</div><div>K2ELV</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 12:30 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arm-allstar-request@hamvoip.org" target="_blank">arm-allstar-request@hamvoip.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send arm-allstar mailing list submissions to<br>
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Sounds like a neat setup. If you have taken photos I would love to put some up on the web page for all to see.<br>
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The RF issue is usually HF but I suppose it could be any frequency if conditions were right.<br>
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I generally put both RF and low frequency bypasses on the input and output of those modules. I have seen RF getting into them, even the node itself. A .01 ceramic and a 220uf or higher electrolytic in parallel are a good idea and of course short leads and ferrites.<br>
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Company PIcnic yesterday afternoon so I have not had a chance to try any suggestions yet. I'll get some time tonight.<br>
Just to respond to a few of the follow up questions:<br>
* I have tried a new USB cable<br>
* I have also tried a new Pi<br>
* The wires from the radios to the URI are definately a bit longer than they need to be. So I'll definitely address that<br>
* Im powering the entire setup off of a 12v battery array hooked up to a charge controller/solar panel. The pi is powered by a 12v to 5v converter. I have another converter that i can swap out and see if that helps. My solar setup is a pretty nice setup, its not one of those cheapy charge controllers.... and i've run my allstar node on it issue free since last october-ish.... so i do think im leaning towards RF being the problem and not power.... but i certainly cant rule out power completely yet.<br>
* Its been so intermittent that i have not yet been able to catch an error while logged into the asterisk console<br>
Thanks for all the input/feedback. I'll get some time to play tonight and I'll report back with any findings.<br>
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That's a good question? ...If the node isn't registered, and sitting<br>
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Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 19:18:48 -0400<br>
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If you are using a limited bandwidth or metered circuit that you pay for by data use I would recommend ilbc - or internet low bandwidth codec. It is very close to the quality of G726 with BW more like GSM.<br>
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All hamvoip images have ilbc. Acid and other versions do not. So you would not be compatible but the best way to run a mobile node is to connect to a fixed node you control. Then other user can connect there to find you. The codec between your mobile node and fixed node would be ilbc and from the fixed node to wherever whatever you want.<br>
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I was wondering what the data usage or minimum bandwidth requirements for Allstar link?<br>
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I've been struggling with an intermittent issue on my allstar node for a<br>
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its just that the radio is no longer working due to the dead URI.<br>
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I've swapped the URI out for another one..... same thing. I've pulled the<br>
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Have you tried swapping out the USB cable?<br>
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> I've been struggling with an intermittent issue on my allstar node for a few weeks now and I figured I'd see if anyone else has run into this. For the most part everything is running perfect, but every now and then my URI will stop working. I cant find any pattern to when/why this happens and i haven't found any clues in /var/log/asterisk/messages. When i look at the URI the green heartbeat light has stopped flashing (both lights off). If i unplug it from the USB port and plug it back in, everything goes back to normal. Its worth noting that nothing else stops working. Any connections to other nodes are maintained... the pi is still running and working fine, its just that the radio is no longer working due to the dead URI.<br>
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> I've swapped the URI out for another one..... same thing. I've pulled the SD card out of the pi, put it in a new pi ..... same results. The only thing I have not done yet is replace and reload the SD card, and i am probably going to try that over the weekend.<br>
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This is obviously not normal and a rather rare thing. Things to check are the power supply. Supply spikes or irregularities could cause this as could high RF (HF etc.) fields getting into the wiring or components. Several people I know have had problems with HF stations getting into electronic devices not just Allstar and causing havoc.<br>
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Those two things, dirty power and RF are the major cause of intermittent problems with the Allstar hardware.<br>
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What are you using to supply power to the Pi and thus the URI? Are the leads to the URI long? They act as antennas, extra wire should be would in tight circles. Ferrite's over the wiring in and out of the URI and Pi are a good idea.<br>
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One thing to check if you can catch it is to see what error you get when this happens. Open a client session to Asterisk in Linux - asterisk -rvvv - and look for any error messages when it occurs.<br>
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Beyond the power and RF which are first choices I would try a different Pi and/or burn a new image.<br>
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Lets us know what you find.<br>
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73 Doug<br>
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I've been struggling with an intermittent issue on my allstar node for a few weeks now and I figured I'd see if anyone else has run into this. For the most part everything is running perfect, but every now and then my URI will stop working. I cant find any pattern to when/why this happens and i haven't found any clues in /var/log/asterisk/messages. When i look at the URI the green heartbeat light has stopped flashing (both lights off). If i unplug it from the USB port and plug it back in, everything goes back to normal. Its worth noting that nothing else stops working. Any connections to other nodes are maintained... the pi is still running and working fine, its just that the radio is no longer working due to the dead URI.<br>
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I've swapped the URI out for another one..... same thing. I've pulled the SD card out of the pi, put it in a new pi ..... same results. The only thing I have not done yet is replace and reload the SD card, and i am probably going to try that over the weekend.<br>
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Another thing to check is the radio power supply. I think Dave can elaborate on this because at one time he had the problem. Spikes at turn on/off or maybe otherwise from the node radio supply can cause glitches downstream.<br>
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This is obviously not normal and a rather rare thing. Things to check are the power supply. Supply spikes or irregularities could cause this as could high RF (HF etc.) fields getting into the wiring or components. Several people I know have had problems with HF stations getting into electronic devices not just Allstar and causing havoc.<br>
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Those two things, dirty power and RF are the major cause of intermittent problems with the Allstar hardware.<br>
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What are you using to supply power to the Pi and thus the URI? Are the leads to the URI long? They act as antennas, extra wire should be would in tight circles. Ferrite's over the wiring in and out of the URI and Pi are a good idea.<br>
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One thing to check if you can catch it is to see what error you get when this happens. Open a client session to Asterisk in Linux - asterisk -rvvv - and look for any error messages when it occurs.<br>
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Beyond the power and RF which are first choices I would try a different Pi and/or burn a new image.<br>
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I've been struggling with an intermittent issue on my allstar node for a few weeks now and I figured I'd see if anyone else has run into this. For the most part everything is running perfect, but every now and then my URI will stop working. I cant find any pattern to when/why this happens and i haven't found any clues in /var/log/asterisk/messages. When i look at the URI the green heartbeat light has stopped flashing (both lights off). If i unplug it from the USB port and plug it back in, everything goes back to normal. Its worth noting that nothing else stops working. Any connections to other nodes are maintained... the pi is still running and working fine, its just that the radio is no longer working due to the dead URI.<br>
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I've swapped the URI out for another one..... same thing. I've pulled the SD card out of the pi, put it in a new pi ..... same results. The only thing I have not done yet is replace and reload the SD card, and i am probably going to try that over the weekend.<br>
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