<p dir="ltr">No serious repeater user uses ham transceivers with data Jacks and mic inputs. </p>
<p dir="ltr">A good quality purpose built Uri type interface is all I would use.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Unless you like to putz with filters and mess with it? Or make the neighbors mad?</p>
<p dir="ltr">My 2cents.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Apr 8, 2016 15:28, "David McGough via arm-allstar" <<a href="mailto:arm-allstar@hamvoip.org">arm-allstar@hamvoip.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
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A simple RC 2nd order passive filter is probably adequate and should<br>
provide 12db/octave rolloff. The main drawback with a passive filter is<br>
insertion loss, which is why active designs that provide gain to<br>
compensate, combined with higher order filters, are popular.<br>
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Here is a website with some on-line design tools:<br>
<br>
2nd order filter design:<br>
<a href="http://sim.okawa-denshi.jp/en/CRCRtool.php" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://sim.okawa-denshi.jp/en/CRCRtool.php</a><br>
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Many other general purpose tools:<br>
<a href="http://sim.okawa-denshi.jp/en/Fkeisan.htm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://sim.okawa-denshi.jp/en/Fkeisan.htm</a><br>
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If anyone is interested, a 192KHz/24bit sound card (something like:<br>
<a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/131767155488" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ebay.com/itm/131767155488</a> ) could be used to build a<br>
high-resolution audio spectrum analyzer to "test" the lower sample rate<br>
(48KHz) USB FOB. Some typical software for this type of application is<br>
found here: <a href="http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html</a><br>
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Anyhow, if you're using a mic-input on your transmitter, and even most<br>
high-speed MODEM inputs, the transmitter frequency response is well below<br>
20KHz, and DAC Aliases are not of concern. HOWEVER, if you were to place<br>
an unfiltered FOB directly behind an old GE Mastr II exciter, you<br>
might have spurs thru the entire ham band and into the business band!!!<br>
So, the key here is to know your radio hardware--or, add a filter and<br>
eliminate all concerns.<br>
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73, David KB4FXC<br>
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On Fri, 8 Apr 2016, Ken via arm-allstar wrote:<br>
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> The response cutoff issue on the FOBS is probably a non-issue for most.<br>
> Check it with a scope if you think it is a problem and put a non active RC<br>
> filter whihc should be fine for 48Khz especially with the rolloff of the<br>
> radio, etc.<br>
> 73 Doug<br>
> WA3DSP<br>
><br>
> I agree that the 48 kHz would only be a problem in specific cases, where the<br>
> modulation was introduced directly into the frequency control circuit.<br>
> For the vast majority - using standard audio inputs - it's no problem.<br>
> I would point out that a simple RC filter has 20 dB per decade roll-off.<br>
> With (for example) a 4.8 kHz corner frequency, the response would be down<br>
> only 20 dB at 48 kHz. That is nowhere near enough for the case where you<br>
> are injecting directly.<br>
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> Regards<br>
> Ken<br>
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