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    I think whats going on here is there are stations using a simplex
    channel not intending to use the Allstar node. However the node is
    hearing one or both of the stations and keying up with its courtesy
    tone. <br>
    <br>
    Perhaps a simple solution here is to put the node on PL (CTCSS). So
    if the simplex stations are not using tone, they wont bring up the
    node. <br>
    If they intend to use the node then use PL on transmit to access the
    node.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Jon VA3RQ<br>
    <br>
    On 9/10/2015 11:48 PM, Doug Crompton wrote:
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      <div dir="ltr"><font style="" color="#000000"
          face="Tahoma,sans-serif">I thought I explained it but either I
          am not understanding what you are doing or you don't have an
          understanding of how Allstar works. <br>
          <br>
          When you setup a simplex node - connect allstar to a radio you
          are in effect putting Allstar on that frequency. By default
          Allstar responds with a courtesy tone to tell users on that
          frequency that Allstar is there and active. It does not
          transmit over anyone only when they stop transmitting like you
          would hear on a repeater. If it actually does transmit over
          someone then your COS is probably not working properly. The
          polarity might be reversed. To test -<br>
          <br>
          From the L:inux prompt go into the Asterisk client -<br>
          <br>
          asterisk -rvvv<br>
          <br>
          Key and hold the PTT of your radio that talks to your node
          radio. You should not see anything yet. Unkey the radio. You
          should see the hungup message in the display. If you are
          seeing the hungup message on key down then COS polarity is
          reversed. If you are not see it at all either way then COS is
          not working.<br>
          <br>
          To reverse COS polarity edit  /etc/asterisk/simpleusb.conf <br>
          <br>
          Look for the 'carrierfrom' line <br>
          <br>
          It can either be  usb for positive going on signal or
          usbinvert for negative going (around 0 volts) on signal  <br
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        <font style="" face="Tahoma,sans-serif">If this does not answer
          your question unless you explain exactly how you have things
          hooked up that is the best I can do for an explanation.</font><br>
        <br>
        <b><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4">73 Doug</font><font
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          </font><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4">WA3DSP</font><font
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          </font><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.crompton.com/hamradio">http://www.crompton.com/hamradio</a></font></b><font
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          <hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 22:22:50 -0400<br>
          From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tukosei@gmail.com">tukosei@gmail.com</a><br>
          To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:arm-allstar@hamvoip.org">arm-allstar@hamvoip.org</a><br>
          Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] tones on transmission<br>
          <br>
          <div dir="ltr">
            <p dir="ltr">I don't understand why the node would key the
              radio up over a couple of people having a conversation,
              say HT to HT (locally) other than to annoy the parties
              that have no idea there is a 3rd radio out there TXing a
              tone over the start of their conversation. No one is
              connected to the AllStar node, so why would it key up at
              all?</p>
            <p dir="ltr"><br>
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            <div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Sep 10, 2015 9:51 PM, "Doug
              Crompton" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:doug@crompton.com" target="_blank">doug@crompton.com</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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                  <div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000"
                      face="Tahoma,sans-serif">The courtesy tone goes
                      out to any local device connected to the node. So
                      it would go out over the connected radio. For
                      simplex operation when COS drops indicating an RF
                      station stopped transmitting there is a delay
                      (settable) and then the node TX keys and the
                      courtesy tone is sent. For full duplex at the end
                      of an RF transmission when COS drops the repeater
                      stays keyed for the delay period and then the
                      courtesy tone is sent.<br>
                      <br>
                      I think what you were hearing was normal. Courtesy
                      tone is meant to indicate end of transmission and
                      the other party can talk. If you are talking over
                      it then you are keying up too fast.  <br>
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                    <b><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4">73 Doug</font><font
                        style="font-size:16pt;" size="4"><br>
                      </font><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4">WA3DSP</font><font
                        style="font-size:16pt;" size="4"><br>
                      </font><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4"><a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://www.crompton.com/hamradio"
                          target="_blank">http://www.crompton.com/hamradio</a></font></b><font
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                      <hr>Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 20:47:54 -0400<br>
                      From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:tukosei@gmail.com" target="_blank">tukosei@gmail.com</a><br>
                      To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:arm-allstar@hamvoip.org"
                        target="_blank">arm-allstar@hamvoip.org</a><br>
                      Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] tones on transmission<br>
                      <br>
                      <div dir="ltr">The issue I was having was no one
                        was using/ logged into or using the node. The
                        conversation was between 2 parties, radio to
                        radio (rf only) and the system was keying over
                        the start of their conversation.
                        <div>I changed the setting and it seems to be
                          gone.</div>
                        <div>Thanks!</div>
                        <div>Ryan</div>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                        <div>On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Doug
                          Crompton <span dir="ltr"><<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:doug@crompton.com"
                              target="_blank">doug@crompton.com</a>></span>
                          wrote:<br>
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                              <div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000"
                                  face="Tahoma,sans-serif">In the node
                                  stanza in rpt.conf that you want to
                                  eliminate courtesy tone add - <br>
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                                <b><font face="Tahoma,sans-serif">nounkeyct=1<br>
                                    <br>
                                  </font></b><font
                                  face="Tahoma,sans-serif">Note that
                                  courtesy tones are there for two
                                  reasons. One is to force users to wait
                                  until after the tone to speak. This
                                  eliminates cutoff of audio due to
                                  delays in the system. you should
                                  always wait 2-3 seconds to transmit.
                                  Fast keying is not a good thing in
                                  Allstar. It also does not allow others
                                  to break in. The other reason
                                  especially on simplex odes is to show
                                  that the RX actually heard you. On
                                  repeaters Allstar is often used as the
                                  controller and thus the courtesy tone
                                  would be for the repeater. Most
                                  repeaters have courtesy tones.<br>
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                                <b><font style="font-size:16pt;"
                                    size="4">73 Doug</font><font
                                    style="font-size:16pt;" size="4"><br>
                                  </font><font style="font-size:16pt;"
                                    size="4">WA3DSP</font><font
                                    style="font-size:16pt;" size="4"><br>
                                  </font><font style="font-size:16pt;"
                                    size="4"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://www.crompton.com/hamradio"
                                      target="_blank">http://www.crompton.com/hamradio</a></font></b><font
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                                  <hr>Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 16:29:24
                                  -0400<br>
                                  From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:tukosei@gmail.com"
                                    target="_blank">tukosei@gmail.com</a><br>
                                  To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:arm-allstar@hamvoip.org"
                                    target="_blank">arm-allstar@hamvoip.org</a><br>
                                  Subject: [arm-allstar] tones on
                                  transmission
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                                      <div dir="ltr">I am trying to
                                        eliminate a “courtesy tone” on
                                        my setup. It
                                        seems that each time the system
                                        hears a radio transmission; it
                                        has to transmit
                                        a tone about 2 seconds after the
                                        end of the reception. Sometimes,
                                        it will
                                        transmit over the person trying
                                        to talk (RF) back. This occurs
                                        when there is no
                                        one connected to the node.<br>
                                        My setup is using a Pi2 > USB
                                        sound card > HT radio.<br>
                                        I tried adjusting some of the
                                        .conf files but haven’t found
                                        the setting yet.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        Ryan<br>
                                        KK4OSG<br>
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