[arm-allstar] Kenwood repeater issue

Sun Feb 7 20:20:53 EST 2021

We do not have a controller on the repeater other then the onboard controller for id'ing.

Les Keegan
N4LPK
> On 02/07/2021 7:13 PM Patrick Perdue via ARM-allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
> 
>  
> WARNING!!!!
> 
> The SHARI does something nasty that makes it very much not ideal for a 
> repeater link.
> 
> Even if you have everything set up for gated PL, COS detection won't 
> drop until the carrier does, if it initially had a tone and then the 
> tone drops out. This results in the radio muting like it should, but COS 
> keeps the node transmitting out to the network. I'd definitely not use 
> that method. Too bad you can't connect an interface directly to a second 
> port on your repeater's controller or something, configured as a link 
> port, thus no hang times, IDs and CT's. also, no ping pongs. People 
> really hate those. They're rampant on echo link.
> 
> 
> On 2/7/2021 2:31 PM, "Les Keegan via ARM-allstar" wrote:
> > I have a SHARI Node I want to put at the repeater site in the future as we are putting a repeater at this hospitals satellite hospital opening this fall and I want to use Allstar to link them together. Now I will have that setup in duplex mode and it has the courtesy tones and what not on it. I have not turned them off as of yet since they are not in service. I probably will use Cwid on it since I do not like the female voice that comes on in that mode. But for now I am hosting my node at my QTH.
> >
> > Les Keegan
> > N4LPK
> >> On 02/07/2021 2:08 PM Steve Agee via ARM-allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>   
> >> *You are correct. The issue is you can program the I.D. for no CTCSS
> >> encode, but there is no option I'm aware of in that software to turn it
> >> off in the tail hang timer and that is your issue here. If you and your
> >> users are willing to deal with a zero hang time repeater (most are not),
> >> then that solution will work. Otherwise down the road you can implement
> >> the external tone board, then have all the hang time and courtesy beeps
> >> that you like.
> >>
> >> N5ZUA
> >> *
> >> On 2/7/2021 1:03 PM, "Les Keegan via ARM-allstar" wrote:
> >>> The Kenwood KPG-91 D software allows for me to disable the PL on ID. Which I have done. I will adjust the tail to 0 when I go back  up to the repeater site hopefully this week. I have changed it in the software I just need to download it into the repeater. I have 1 or two users that do not use the output tone and therefore when transmitting they sometimes have the id'er come through their transmission. I have asked them to put tone on their output but they like to hear squelch I guess.  I will have to have a conversation with them again. Yes the node is at my QTH and the repeater is at a local hospital about 4 miles away. Thanks for the information.
> >>>
> >>> Les Keegan
> >>> N4LPK
> >>>> On 02/07/2021 1:26 PM Steve Agee via ARM-allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>    
> >>>> *There is a lot of information missing here, such as how your node
> >>>> interfaces to your repeater. I'm going to guess the node and repeater
> >>>> are in 2 different locations, and that you are using an on-frequency
> >>>> node radio that talks to the repeater like a mobile would. This is the
> >>>> absolute worst way to interface a node to a repeater, but can still be
> >>>> done with modifications.
> >>>>
> >>>> To meet the definition of "link compliant" the 0.4 second tail must be
> >>>> reduced to absolute zero. The best way to do this is to reconfigure the
> >>>> repeater such that the repeater TX only encodes CTCSS while the CTCSS
> >>>> condition of the RX is true. Most repeaters are not configurable in this
> >>>> manner just from software but some are. If not, then you must add a tone
> >>>> board and wire it in the manner described above. Then completely disable
> >>>> CTCSS in the repeater software so there is no conflict between it and
> >>>> the add-on tone board. Likewise, the node radio needs tone encode and
> >>>> decode enabled as well.
> >>>>
> >>>> If this is not your configuration, then please give an in depth
> >>>> description of how you are interfacing your node to your Kenwood repeater.
> >>>>
> >>>> N5ZUA *
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2/7/2021 9:01 AM, "Les Keegan via ARM-allstar" wrote:
> >>>>> I have a remote node  on a Kenwood TKR-750 repeater. Recently I connected to a hub node and was told that the Kenwood repeater was causing interference from the squelch tail and the repeater ID. I have the repeater ID un toned so I am not sure why the id is causing interference and we have a very short squelch tail set at 0.4 seconds.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is  there something in the settings I can change to make this interference go away?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Les Keegan
> >>>>> N4LPK
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