[arm-allstar] Audio processing, was Re: cdm1250 transmit audio

[Chris Smart]

I have a much more basic audio question. 

what in an Allstar node chops things off around 3K? Is it the Baofeng radio module in most nodes, or is it something to do withthe fact that we're using pbx sofftware, so it treats everything as telephone audio?



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> On Mar 2, 2020, at 16:51, Patrick Perdue via ARM-allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
> 
> I've gotten quite good results using hardware vocoders. DMR is far more robust than many give it credit for, especially if you don't use the software md380-emu implementation. Even some background is tolerated, which is pretty awesome when you consider the limited bandwidth and complexity of the DV modes. I'm always interested in improving audio wherever it can be improved, however.
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> 
>> On 3/2/2020 3:12 PM, "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar" wrote:
>> Patrick,
>> 
>>  First of all this is probably not happening soon. There are many other
>> more important things on the list. Also it is almost impossible to improve
>> something like crappy digital audio. If there was it would already be done.
>> My suggestion is don't use it! But many people put up with it as they think
>> it is some kind of advance in technology. Funny what you can seel people!
>> 
>> 
>> *73 Doug*
>> 
>> *WA3DSP*
>> 
>> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*
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>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:01 PM "Patrick Perdue via ARM-allstar" <
>> arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm definitely looking forward to any future audio processing support,
>>> especially if SoX is involved, since we could then use ladspa. I would
>>> especially like to process analog input to clean things up for digital
>>> bridges. I'm thinking downward expander plus gate, so the digital
>>> vocoders have less noise to process, especially with strong to moderate
>>> analog signals, EQ and limiter. This could also help with the ever
>>> present echo link 8-bit dithering. This is something I've wanted to do
>>> for a while. Having a moderate downward expander and EQ or light
>>> multi-band compression on my transmitted audio to Allstar would be nice
>>> as well. Just something subtle to keep levels and equalization in line
>>> between radios, but not to be obvious that there is processing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/1/2020 10:23 PM, "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar" wrote:
>>>> Jed,
>>>> 
>>>>   Pre and de-emphasis are not meant to be used when they are applied to
>>> the
>>>> audio to/from the transceiver. Using them to make things sound more or
>>> less
>>>> bright when they have already been applied is not a good idea especially
>>> on
>>>> audio going out to the network. Pre-emphasis increases the high end at a
>>>> prescribed rate for audio FROM your node, what you hear. De-emphasis
>>>> decreases high end on audio TO your node, what others hear.  Most of us
>>> are
>>>> using radios that do this internally and leave these settings OFF. If you
>>>> were using a radio that did not apply one or the other or both you would
>>>> turn the appropriate one on. The bottom line is that they are not meant
>>> for
>>>> casual audio equalization but rather for a defined method every FM signal
>>>> uses.
>>>> 
>>>> It is in our plans and sometime in the future you will be able to apply
>>>> software equalization using an external program such as sox but for ow if
>>>> you must change equalization your best bet is feeding the analog audio
>>> out
>>>> of the FOB through a hardware equalizer.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> *73 Doug*
>>>> 
>>>> *WA3DSP*
>>>> 
>>>> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 5:00 PM "Jed Barton via ARM-allstar" <
>>>> arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>> 
>>>>> So i'm trying to do some audio adjustment on my cdm1250 to make it
>>>>> sound better.  I'm trying to figure out the pre-emphasis and
>>>>> deemphasis on the radio.  I wanna add a little more high end to the
>>>>> transmit audio.  Can i try this in simple USB, or where should i go?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jed
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