[arm-allstar] hamvoip on DIAL?

Jan Timmers jaunti at gmail.com
Wed Sep 20 15:28:13 EST 2017

Thanks for that information, David (and Doug).  Nice explanation of the
history and reasons behind hamvoip and Arch Linux.  I currently have my
node running with that combination, but wanted to build another one with
Pi3 and an external Motorola GM300 - I've got all the hardware now, and
ready to take the next step.

While I've used the old reliable "midnight commander" to nose around the
filesystem on the Pi running on my current node, and have spent about 15
minutes looking at the pacman manpage, I have such a long history with
debian that I was drawn to DIAL (for that reason alone).

David, while I can commiserate with you, after reading of your
frustrations, at times, with old or dated packages when the hardware is
new, I am not anywhere near your level of expertise.  I take my hat off to
your efforts to work with the different versions of Linux, at your day
job.  My connection to Linux use was always purely as a hobbyist, from the
earliest versions in the 90's (ie: Yggdrasil, then Slackware and finally to
Debian) - and I developed a renewed interest in Linux when the RaspberryPi
was released for retail sale.

And Doug, thanks for your efforts with hamvoip!  Very satisfied with it as

I'm looking forward to building my next  Allstar node.  Thanks - John -

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 8:47 AM, David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:

> Hi Jan,
> I use Debian (or Ubuntu) extensively at my day job, so, I understand your
> desire for a Debian environment. I've used Debian for 20+ years and Unix
> 30+ years!
> The hamvoip solution is fully integrated with Arch Linux, at this point,
> so, no it's not practical to split it out piecemeal. Originally, this was
> done because we needed the latest-and-greatest "bleeding edge" kernels and
> tools to get the Asterisk/AllStar solution to work. Now, several years
> later, Debian (or Raspbian, etc.), has significantly caught up. But, even
> today I found that having access to the very latest utilities present in
> Arch Linux builds is an advantage. An example of this advantage occurred
> just last week, where I needed features in the latest version of gpg (GNU
> privacy guard). I was able to painlessly include gpg version 2.2 in the
> hamvoip distro, while even Ubuntu 16.04 is still WAY back at gpg version
> 1.4.20!  Arch Linux wins again.
> For those who are unfamiliar with Arch Linux, it's still just a normal
> Linux/Unix environment, all the typical commands and utilities are there.
> All the configuration for Asterisk/AllStar (the /etc/asterisk directory,
> etc.) is the same.
> For package management, the utility is pacman, rather than the various
> apt* and dpkg* tools found under Debian. pacman is very easy to use.
> One biggest common complaint I hear, and have myself, is the fully-
> integrated use of systemd for system management, versus the older System
> Five (SysV) style init found in earlier versions of Linux. First, let me
> tell you that I, too, cuss these new systemd utilities on a regular
> basis!!! But, it is the future. And, Debian is headed toward that same
> future. At least with Arch Linux, you can move forward to the very latest
> software versions, whenever needed. I can't tell you the dozens of times
> at my day job I've had to resort to "hand cooking" upgraded packages for
> Debian, because the released/packaged code was obsolete! Anyone who has
> tried to get the latest video cards, monitors (X windows) or perhaps a
> brand new scanner (sane drivers!) to work knows what I'm talking
> about.
> Anyhow, give Arch Linux a chance. It grows on you.
> 73, David KB4FXC
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017, "Jan Timmers via arm-allstar" wrote:
> > Would hamvoip work on a DIAL distro?  I realize it comes built into Arch
> > Linux, but I'm not at all familiar with Arch :-(
> >
> > I'm just an old Debian guy.  So is hamvoip a standalone package, ie:
> > "hamvoip.deb" that I can dl and install?
> >
> > tnx - jt
> >
> >

John Timmers

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