[arm-allstar] Allstar Automated - NWS Weather Alerts & Analogue Repeater Backbones

Thu May 18 13:46:03 EST 2017

Doug,
12:37PM  Mountain TimeYour suggestion (both) in   rpt.conf
Duplex=1nounkeyct=1(both in the same section of rpt.conf)  FIXED the Repeater (ping-pong  key up - key down) problem.Now the Allstar Node directly UHF connected to our club FM Repeater Backbone - works the way we need.That Allstar Node is quiet now - no need to ID, since the Repeater Backbone already does that.NWS Weather Alerts now transmit on the FM Repeater Backbone when the NWS issues them...thanks to your config suggestions.

We have ~5 inches of fresh snow on the ground here in Ski Country (Avon, Colorado) - this is a good inside project for today.Weather Channel says NYC ~91F   There's going to be a lot of really wild weather headed into the mid-west and tornado alley in the next 24 hours.  Yikes!
Thanks!  N0ECT

    On Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:24 AM, Doug Crompton via arm-allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:

 John,

 Pierre is talking about using the usbradio channel driver. I am not
convinced that is necessary. It would also mean a complete change in your
system and usbradio does not work well for other reasons. It would bebetter
to try and fix what you have.

I think what is happening is your courtesy tone response is causing the
ping pong. Your system keys the repeater, when it drops your courtesy tone
keys and it continues on. Try  nounkeyct=1  in the node section of
rpt.conf. If you are using version 1.5 it is already in there defined as
=0.  You won't have a courtesy tone but if the repeater has one then it
makes no difference really. Setting rxondelay to 100 even if it worked is
way to long to work efficiently. It would cut off the first two seconds of
and some amount of the content of every transmission.

If you are still having problems perhaps we could talk on the phone about
it. I have found that often solves problems a lot faster than back and
forth email.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:02 AM, "John Hoser-Smith via arm-allstar" <
arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:

>  Doug:  The rxondelay parameter in simpleusb.conf settable in
> simpleusb-tune-menu
> is used to delay COS in 20ms increments to avoid ping-pong effects.N0ECT:
> I found that and changed from 0 to 100 but - still had the ping-pong (key
> up/key down) problem.
> Yes setting Duplex to 1  did make the Weather Alerts work on the Repeater
> Backbone...however can't see to
> stop the ping-pong.
>
>  Pierre (VE2PF) suggested the way to set it is to had itxctcss=1 in the
> repeater/link stanza in
> rpt.conf      Not 100% sure WHERE in the "repeater/link" stanza is in
> rpt.conf  Comment?  Yes, we're using  Simpleusb.conf
>
>    On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:18 PM, John Hoser-Smith <
> skierinavon at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>  Thanks Pierre.SimpleUSB is the answer.Will try your suggestion.73s  N0ECT
>
>
>    On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:49 PM, Pierre Martel via arm-allstar <
> arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>
>
>  Hi John, are you using usbradio or simple usb?
> I ask cause I know this work on usbradio
>
> let me explain. the way I fixed that problem with my node is that set up
> for the ctcss to stop sending at the same time as the cor input or the
> detected cor (with usbrado) go down. so all telemetry are sent without
> ctcss. so if your link radio is sending ctcss and your receiving back bone
> also use ctcss and can do the same you are in busines
>
> the way to set it is to had itxctcss=1 in the repeater/link stanza in
> rpt.conf
>
> Hope this can help you
>
> Pierre
> VE2PF
>
>
> 2017-05-17 15:19 GMT-04:00 "John Hoser-Smith via arm-allstar" <
> arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>:
>
> > This is a bit tricky…
> >
> > We have an Allstar Node that uses its directly interfaced UHFLink Radio
> > into an old fashion FM Repeater Backbone in our Radio club…
> >
> > Further, this same Allstar Node is also/simultaneouslyconnected to an
> > Allstar SERVER/HUB via the Internet.  Other independent Allstar Nodes can
> > nowconnect to that same Server/HUB and use their remote Allstar Node
> Radios
> > totalk to anyone using the old fashion Repeater Backbone for our Ham
> Radio
> > club.  Our Allstar Server/HUB has no radio attachedto it.
> >
> >
> > This works the way we want, mostly.
> >
> >
> > What doesn’t work (read: get re-broadcasted) to the FMRepeater Backbone
> > are the automated NWS Weather alerts – found and configuredin Doug’s
> > Autosky Scripts.  We want folkslistening to the Club’s FM - Repeater
> > Backbone to hear those NWS Alerts for ourCounty.
> >
> > (yes, we have other independent Allstar Nodes running those
> AutoskyWeather
> > alerts just fine)
> >
> >  We’ve isolated that(no re-broadcast) problem to the entry inside the
> > rpt.conf  file for the Node with the UHF Link Radio.
> >
> > That Allstar Node has set    the    Duplex=0  inside the  rpt.conf
> > file.  This works great for normal Repeater and HT use – but prevents the
> > NWSAnnouncement from being re-Broadcast.
> >
> > Now for the tricky part:  Changing the entry in the  rpt.conf  to
> > Duplex=2 (from Duplex=0)  solved the problem of “re-broadcasting the
> > NWSAlerts” HOWEVER – this Duplex setting keeps “bringing up  and down”
> the
> > entire FM RepeaterBackbone.  A kind of an Audio “ping pong”(key up/key
> > down) is heard all over the Repeater Backbone.  Oooops, not what we want.
> >
> >
> > So the question is:  Can we set (how?) the Allstar Node with thedirect
> > connection to the UHF Link radio to play the Autosky Weather
> > Alerts…withouthaving this “ping-pong” up and down going on, on our
> Repeater
> > Backbone?  Our Club’s Allstar geography spans (3)Counties and we’d like
> to
> > broadcast the NWS Alerts from the Node directly connectedto the FM
> Repeater
> > Backbone.
> >
> > Your comments/suggestions welcome.  N0ECT
> >
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