[arm-allstar] URI "shuts down"

Phil Visalli phil at philv.net
Wed Aug 17 10:27:34 EST 2016 

I figured I'd throw an update out here.  Over the weekend I tried coiling
up all the cables tightly, and strategically added snap on ferrites where
applicable.  A little over 24 hours later another failure.  I then replaced
the 12v to 5v converter that supplies power to the pi.  Just over 48 hours
now and so far so good.  Its run a week or more without failing in the past
so im not celebrating yet, but keeping my fingers crossed.

@Doug,  I included a couple of pics here.  I have 2 new batteries on order
that should be in tomorrow and i'll add a pic of the battery array with my
next update.  Its worth noting something about that the "mini barn" in the
picture that my solar panel and mast is on.  I set out last summer to build
a 10 x 10, 6 foot tall shed.  Somewhere along the way I got a little
carried away and built what you see in the pic ..... It think thinking that
it would be a good place for an antenna mast is what got me off track :p


Phil
K2ELV


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> Phil,
>
>  Sounds like a neat setup. If you have taken photos I would love to put
> some up on the web page for all to see.
>
> The RF issue is usually HF but I suppose it could be any frequency if
> conditions were right.
>
> I generally put both RF and low frequency bypasses on the input and output
> of those modules. I have seen RF getting into them, even the node itself.
> A .01 ceramic and a 220uf or higher electrolytic in parallel are a good
> idea and of course short leads and ferrites.
> 73 Doug
> WA3DSP
> http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
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> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 10:10:35 -0400
> To: arm-allstar at hamvoip.org
> Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] URI "shuts down"
> From: arm-allstar at hamvoip.org
> CC: phil at philv.net
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> Company PIcnic yesterday afternoon so I have not had a chance to try any
> suggestions yet.  I'll get some time tonight.
> Just to respond to a few of the follow up questions:
> *  I have tried a new USB cable
> *  I have also tried a new Pi
> *  The wires from the radios to the URI are definately a bit longer than
> they need to be.  So I'll definitely address that
> *  Im powering the entire setup off of a 12v battery array hooked up to a
> charge controller/solar panel.  The pi is powered by a 12v to 5v
> converter.  I have another converter that i can swap out and see if that
> helps.  My solar setup is a pretty nice setup, its not one of those cheapy
> charge controllers.... and i've run my allstar node on it issue free since
> last october-ish.... so i do think im leaning towards RF being the problem
> and not power.... but i certainly cant rule out power completely yet.
> *  Its been so intermittent that i have not yet been able to catch an
> error while logged into the asterisk console
> Thanks for all the input/feedback.  I'll get some time to play tonight and
> I'll report back with any findings.
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> From: David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
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> To: Phil Hebert via arm-allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>
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> That's a good question? ...If the node isn't registered, and sitting
>
> completely idle, probably not. Even if registered, maybe not.  I've always
>
> run across VPNs (OpenVPN) when using 4G and specifically generate
>
> keep-alive traffic.
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> Anyone got a definitive answer?
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> 73, David KB4FXC
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> On Wed, 10 Aug 2016, Phil Hebert via arm-allstar wrote:
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> > A related question
>
> > If the node is idle, then is there still enough activity to keep a mifi
> hotspot not go to sleep ?
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> > Sent from my Mobile Device
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> > > On Aug 10, 2016, at 17:53, David McGough via arm-allstar <
> arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > No. An idle node has very, very low bandwidth requirements.
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> > >
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> > >> On Wed, 10 Aug 2016, Tom Hayward via arm-allstar wrote:
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> > >>
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> > >> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Mark Johnston via arm-allstar
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> > >> <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
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> > >>> Including overhead I would estimate 100 kb/sec each way depending on
> codec -
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> > >>> ALaw or ULaw vs GSM which is about half that.
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> > >>>
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> > >>> Multiply that out for however long you stay connected...
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> > >> Does a connected but idle link consume much data? I'd like to
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> > >> permanently link a couple very low-usage repeaters.
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> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 19:18:48 -0400
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> From: Doug Crompton <doug at crompton.com>
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> If you are using a limited bandwidth or metered circuit that you pay for
> by data use I would recommend ilbc - or internet low bandwidth codec.  It
> is very close to the quality of G726 with BW more like GSM.
>
>
>
> All hamvoip images have ilbc. Acid and other versions do not. So you would
> not be compatible but the best way to run a mobile node is to connect to a
> fixed node you control. Then other user can connect there to find you. The
> codec between your mobile node and fixed node would be ilbc and from the
> fixed node to wherever whatever you want.
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> 73 Doug
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> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 17:06:49 -0400
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> CC: kd4hlv at gmail.com
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> I was wondering what the data usage or minimum bandwidth requirements for
> Allstar link?
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> I've been struggling with an intermittent issue on my allstar node for a
>
> few weeks now and I figured I'd see if anyone else has run into this.  For
>
> the most part everything is running perfect, but every now and then my URI
>
> will stop working.  I cant find any pattern to when/why this happens and i
>
> haven't found any clues in /var/log/asterisk/messages.  When i look at the
>
> URI the green heartbeat light has stopped flashing (both lights off).  If i
>
> unplug it from the USB port and plug it back in, everything goes back to
>
> normal.  Its worth noting that nothing else stops working.  Any connections
>
> to other nodes are maintained... the pi is still running and working fine,
>
> its just that the radio is no longer working due to the dead URI.
>
>
>
> I've swapped the URI out for another one..... same thing.  I've pulled the
>
> SD card out of the pi, put it in a new pi ..... same results.  The only
>
> thing I have not done yet is replace and reload the SD card, and i am
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> probably going to try that over the weekend.
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> Im running the RPi2-3_V1.02beta_Allstar.img release
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> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 08:21:39 -0700
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> From: Roselito de los Reyes <tolitski at hotmail.com>
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> Hi Phil,
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> Have you tried swapping out the USB cable?
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> Best regards,
>
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> Roselito De Los Reyes
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> > On Aug 11, 2016, at 6:55 AM, Phil Visalli via arm-allstar <
> arm-allstar at hamvoip.org> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I've been struggling with an intermittent issue on my allstar node for a
> few weeks now and I figured I'd see if anyone else has run into this.  For
> the most part everything is running perfect, but every now and then my URI
> will stop working.  I cant find any pattern to when/why this happens and i
> haven't found any clues in /var/log/asterisk/messages. When i look at the
> URI the green heartbeat light has stopped flashing (both lights off).  If i
> unplug it from the USB port and plug it back in, everything goes back to
> normal.  Its worth noting that nothing else stops working.  Any connections
> to other nodes are maintained... the pi is still running and working fine,
> its just that the radio is no longer working due to the dead URI.
>
> >
>
> > I've swapped the URI out for another one..... same thing.  I've pulled
> the SD card out of the pi, put it in a new pi ..... same results.  The only
> thing I have not done yet is replace and reload the SD card, and i am
> probably going to try that over the weekend.
>
> >
>
> > Im running the RPi2-3_V1.02beta_Allstar.img release
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> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:22:05 -0400
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> From: Doug Crompton <doug at crompton.com>
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> To: ARM Allstar <arm-allstar at hamvoip.org>
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> Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] URI "shuts down"
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> This is obviously not normal and a rather rare thing. Things to check are
> the power supply. Supply spikes or irregularities could cause this as could
> high RF (HF etc.) fields getting into the wiring or components. Several
> people I know have had problems with HF stations getting into electronic
> devices not just Allstar and causing havoc.
>
>
>
> Those two things, dirty power and RF are the major cause of intermittent
> problems with the Allstar hardware.
>
>
>
> What are you using to supply power to the Pi and thus the URI? Are the
> leads to the URI long? They act as antennas, extra wire should be would in
> tight circles. Ferrite's over the wiring in and out of the URI and Pi are a
> good idea.
>
>
>
> One thing to check if you can catch it is to see what error you get when
> this happens. Open a client session to Asterisk in Linux - asterisk -rvvv -
> and look for any error messages when it occurs.
>
>
>
> Beyond the power and RF which are first choices I would try a different Pi
> and/or burn a new image.
>
>
>
> Lets us know what you find.
>
> 73 Doug
>
> WA3DSP
>
> http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
>
>
>
>
>
> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 09:55:51 -0400
>
> To: arm-allstar at hamvoip.org
>
> Subject: [arm-allstar] URI "shuts down"
>
> From: arm-allstar at hamvoip.org
>
> CC: phil at philv.net
>
>
>
> I've been struggling with an intermittent issue on my allstar node for a
> few weeks now and I figured I'd see if anyone else has run into this.  For
> the most part everything is running perfect, but every now and then my URI
> will stop working.  I cant find any pattern to when/why this happens and i
> haven't found any clues in /var/log/asterisk/messages.  When i look at the
> URI the green heartbeat light has stopped flashing (both lights off).  If i
> unplug it from the USB port and plug it back in, everything goes back to
> normal.  Its worth noting that nothing else stops working.  Any connections
> to other nodes are maintained... the pi is still running and working fine,
> its just that the radio is no longer working due to the dead URI.
>
> I've swapped the URI out for another one..... same thing.  I've pulled the
> SD card out of the pi, put it in a new pi ..... same results.  The only
> thing I have not done yet is replace and reload the SD card, and i am
> probably going to try that over the weekend.
>
> Im running the RPi2-3_V1.02beta_Allstar.img release
>
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 12:00:42 -0400
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> Another thing to check is the radio power supply. I think Dave can
> elaborate on this because at one time he had the problem. Spikes at turn
> on/off or maybe otherwise from the node radio supply can cause glitches
> downstream.
>
> 73 Doug
>
> WA3DSP
>
> http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
>
>
>
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> To: arm-allstar at hamvoip.org
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> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:22:05 -0400
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> Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] URI "shuts down"
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> From: arm-allstar at hamvoip.org
>
> CC: doug at crompton.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This is obviously not normal and a rather rare thing. Things to check are
> the power supply. Supply spikes or irregularities could cause this as could
> high RF (HF etc.) fields getting into the wiring or components. Several
> people I know have had problems with HF stations getting into electronic
> devices not just Allstar and causing havoc.
>
>
>
> Those two things, dirty power and RF are the major cause of intermittent
> problems with the Allstar hardware.
>
>
>
> What are you using to supply power to the Pi and thus the URI? Are the
> leads to the URI long? They act as antennas, extra wire should be would in
> tight circles. Ferrite's over the wiring in and out of the URI and Pi are a
> good idea.
>
>
>
> One thing to check if you can catch it is to see what error you get when
> this happens. Open a client session to Asterisk in Linux - asterisk -rvvv -
> and look for any error messages when it occurs.
>
>
>
> Beyond the power and RF which are first choices I would try a different Pi
> and/or burn a new image.
>
>
>
> Lets us know what you find.
>
> 73 Doug
>
> WA3DSP
>
> http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
>
>
>
>
>
> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 09:55:51 -0400
>
> To: arm-allstar at hamvoip.org
>
> Subject: [arm-allstar] URI "shuts down"
>
> From: arm-allstar at hamvoip.org
>
> CC: phil at philv.net
>
>
>
> I've been struggling with an intermittent issue on my allstar node for a
> few weeks now and I figured I'd see if anyone else has run into this.  For
> the most part everything is running perfect, but every now and then my URI
> will stop working.  I cant find any pattern to when/why this happens and i
> haven't found any clues in /var/log/asterisk/messages.  When i look at the
> URI the green heartbeat light has stopped flashing (both lights off).  If i
> unplug it from the USB port and plug it back in, everything goes back to
> normal.  Its worth noting that nothing else stops working.  Any connections
> to other nodes are maintained... the pi is still running and working fine,
> its just that the radio is no longer working due to the dead URI.
>
> I've swapped the URI out for another one..... same thing.  I've pulled the
> SD card out of the pi, put it in a new pi ..... same results.  The only
> thing I have not done yet is replace and reload the SD card, and i am
> probably going to try that over the weekend.
>
> Im running the RPi2-3_V1.02beta_Allstar.img release
>
>
>
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