[arm-allstar] BBB/Pi or RTCM

Thu Nov 19 22:12:29 EST 2015

I'll do you one even better; how'd you like to have lunch sometime and we can draw something up? I'm in your neck of the woods  and want to help. Up until now I did not understand that you had information of a raspberry pi based voting client ( I've never heard of it, but it sounds awesome). I've got a voted system here in SoCal based on RTCMs, and several other private BBB "simpleusb" nodes, and I'd be glad to share anything and everything I know. Heck, we might even have a good time doing it. 
I will privately email you my phone number as well. 
73 
Sam 
KJ6QFS 

> On Nov 19, 2015, at 6:55 PM, R. Wayne <allstar at controlservers.net> wrote:
> 
> I don’t drink coffee. It took me a few minutes to realize that there are two Sam’s. What you aren’t aware of is that I have several emails telling me offlist otherwise and therefore confusion. Suggesting that I don’t know how to, or I am not reading isn’t fair. I’m really just a guy trying to learn and had hoped for more than RTFM. I don’t understand the answer. That’s all. There is a huge amount of information in this list that I don’t understand and much of it I dare say isn’t in the manual, They are things you guys have discovered. I don’t mean to sound condescending or patronizing. I just don’t understand!
>  
> If we can get back to my question, I have been told by offlist email that it is possible to use the RPi2 or the BBB for voting and simulcast but when reading the manuals I don’t see this information. I have asked for clarification because I really would like to know if there are benefits to doing so over the RTCM, which of course does voting. I’ll confess that I don’t communicate well using email. I try but I seem to miss the mark and I hope that you’ll help me with this.
>  
> From: Sam Skolfield
> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 2:26 PM
> To: ARM Allstar
> Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] BBB/Pi or RTCM
>  
> People have stated over and over throughout the thread that the RTCM is the only Allstar compatible device that votes and simulcasts. So asking if Sam if he is using a RTCM for simulcasting or not shows that either you aren't reading people's posts all the way through or you are in the first week of trying to kick a bad caffeine habit. Please don't feel victimized because people grow sick of repeating themselves.
>  
> The documentation on the RTCMs and the voting mechanics of app_rpt is very well done, and answers all of your questions. Many newbies have deployed RTCM systems from design to finish with no help whatsoever from the group, so one would think that a system administrator would have much less of a problem grasping the basics.
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2015, at 3:43 AM, R. Wayne <allstar at controlservers.net> wrote:
>> 
>> It does, Sam. Thank you for taking the time to explain. I keep reading so many different things and its like, OK, which way do I go.
>> 
>> Now you say that you are using BBB located at one site. But am I to assume that for the simulcast you are using the RTCM and they talk to your BBB? Our server is in a commercial data center now but it doesn’t need to be. It could be a RPi2 at one site and they would all talk one another. Our site vendor has 25 linked sites. Doing this would lower the latency. I assume that we could then run a remote base that could talk up to a site that allow other Allstar nodes into the system using a different node number.
>>  
>> Am I on the right track?
>>  
>> From: Sam Nabkey
>> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 3:09 AM
>> To: BeagleBone Black ARM Allstar
>> Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] BBB/Pi or RTCM
>>  
>> Consider the RTCM to be an ip phone. It will only talk to itself without a pbx.  Allstar is rhe pbx. 
>> 
>> The RTCM is a stupid controller without a connected server
>> 
>> Doesn't matter where or what allstar is running on, as long as one the sites with the RTCM is located on the same physical switch as the allstar server. That allows for proper GPS timing between the allstar server and the master RTCM.   In some cases people don't run any radios on this single RTCM.
>> 
>> I use a bbb located at one of my sites and run a simulcast 900 repeater.   Work wonderful
>> 
>> Does that help? 
>> 
>>> On Nov 19, 2015 05:37, "R. Wayne" <allstar at controlservers.net> wrote:
>>> No, actually it wasn't. Let's not beat up on the new guy trying to understand. OK? He wrote:
>>> 
>>> "The RPi2 could be used to replace a PC acid box to interface with the RTCM's at your remote locations."
>>> 
>>> If the RTCM is capable of running without a PC of some sorts why the RPi2?
>>> 
>>> Just help me understand and if it troubles you you need not reply.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Corey Dean
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 2:04 AM
>>> To: ARM Allstar
>>> Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] BBB/Pi or RTCM
>>> 
>>> No!  I think that was explained to you right on the first email. Only xipar and the rtcm can vote the way you want.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 19, 2015, at 4:26 AM, R. Wayne <allstar at controlservers.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I think I may not be communicating well. Is the BBB/Pi capable of replacing the RTCM in voted operation?
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: David McGough
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 11:01 PM
>>>> To: ARM Allstar
>>>> Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] BBB/Pi or RTCM
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Currently, the RTCM is the only solution for endpoints--for true voting,
>>>> adding BBB or RPi2 endpoints won't solve the problem. The software that
>>>> drives the RTCM boards only runs on RTCM's....There is no functional
>>>> equivalent for the other platforms, like the BBB or RPi2.
>>>> 
>>>> Note that when the RTCM was conceived/developed, it preceded these tiny
>>>> high-performance Linux boards by several years.  Now, looking toward the
>>>> future, a software solution may become viable.  And, we've already had
>>>> considerable discussion about this, pondering the direction of future
>>>> development.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyhow, for now, adding RTCM's is your best        option.
>>>> 
>>>> 73, David KB4FXC
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015, R. Wayne wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks. As I have written I am a full time System Administrator and load the
>>>> OS on PC's all the time. We already have a PC in a data center that our
>>>> current RTCM talks to. We need to add remote receivers and there's my
>>>> question. RTCM or use Pi's. Why would I choose Pi's? I know there is a
>>>> reason but I don't know it yet. LOL Please tell me what the secret handshake
>>>> is!!! For the love of Pete. Sorry. I got carried away.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: David McGough
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:33 PM
>>>> To: ARM Allstar
>>>> Subject: Re: [arm-allstar] BBB/Pi or RTCM
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> The RTCM is currently the only AllStar-based voting solution.
>>>> Technically speaking, you'd have an RTCM at each site where you've got a
>>>> receiver or transmitter. Then, all the RTCM's would connect back to a
>>>> central server (which could be in a data center, etc.) via an IP data
>>>> network. The central server would perform the actual voting action and
>>>> send the resultant audio and telemetry back the the transmitter site.
>>>> 
>>>> You could use a BBB, RPi2 or regular PC as the central server, the RPi2
>>>> or PC being preferred for new installations.
>>>> 
>>>> 73, David KB4FXC
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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