[arm-allstar] half duplex node linking to a repeater

[David McGough]

Okay, I'll draw a diagram and take some photos showing the actual setup. 

More soon-

On Sat, 18 Jul 2015, Neil Sablatzky wrote:

> Very interesting discussion David I would like to see your diagram
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 18, 2015, at 1:52 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Doug,
> > 
> > The problem I have RF linking VHF/UHF half duplex AllStar nodes to various
> > non-AllStar repeaters is that "I have to take what I get" --meaning that
> > the distant repeater owner isn't going to change their system's operation
> > to accommodate me.  And, in most cases, the repeater owners aren't the
> > person who programmed their controllers and they literally don't know how
> > to configure transmitted PL to follow RX COS---rather than full time
> > transmitted PL tone (the whole time the TX is up)---or other control
> > parameters. In this region, I know of only one repeater programmed with TX
> > PL following RX COS---and, I expect that was a configuration mistake
> > (LOL!)!
> > 
> > There is probably still confusion about how I'm running my remote nodes
> > (Doug--not with you, but others)...Perhaps I should try to draw a diagram?  
> > While more complex, the "private repeater" setup scenario I described
> > works 100% of the time with any half duplex node, without any changes at
> > the non-AllStar repeater. That same setup scenario works great for HF 
> > remote base radios, etc., etc.
> > 
> > 
> > 73, David KB4FXC
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015, Doug Crompton wrote:
> >> 
> >> I have been following this thread and I will put my two cents in. I am
> > assuming I understanding correctly what you are doing or what you want to 
> > do. I do this here with my repeater. Often you do not have Internet 
> > capability at a repeater site and you want to connect it to Allstar. The 
> > alternative is to use a half duplex (simplex) node that talks to the 
> > repeater just like a user. The key is how you setup the repeater. 
> >> 
> >> First of all you do not want the repeater output to control the distant
> > COS. If that was the case you would have hangtime (tail) and ID's coming 
> > through the Allstar system. You want the repeater output PL to follow 
> > it's input PL. Thus no input signal to the repeater no output PL. Your 
> > local simplex node RX COS follows the input to the distant repeater. The 
> > downside is that repeater users who use RX PL decode will not hear the 
> > repeater ID or tail either. It is still legal though. 
> >> 
> >> Another way to do this is to have two PL's on the output. One follows
> > the input and is the one you decode for Allstar. The other is the decoded 
> > by the repeater users and they would hear all ID's and tails.
> >> 
> >> I do the former using one PL since 99% of the repeater users are
> > talking to Allstar nodes. I send a courtesy tone and voice ID from the 
> > half duplex transceiver to the repeater. This is the easiest way to do it 
> > and the repeater sounds to repeater users like it is controlling the tone 
> > and ID. It requires a simple mod to the repeater making output PL follow 
> > the input signal rather than the repeater PTT.
> >> 
> >> No special configuration needs to be done at the simplex node. It is
> > duplex=1 and the tail time and ID become the repeaters tail and ID.
> >> 
> >> 73 Doug
> >> WA3DSP
> >> http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> To: arm-allstar at hamvoip.org
> >>> From: ke6sth at ke6sth.ampr.org
> >>> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 20:15:35 -0700
> >>> Subject: [arm-allstar] half duplex node linking to a repeater
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Hi I have a node that is used for linking my local repeater to another 
> >>> repeater using a half duplex node.
> >>> 
> >>> Some repeaters I link do have a long hang time and I find that I can't 
> >>> keyup the link until the remote repeater is unkey. Is there a way to 
> >>> make it so I can key up the half duplex node at any time I want and not 
> >>> wait for the carrier to drop from the remote end?
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> --Sione
> >>> 
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