[Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users

Randy Neals randy at neals.ca
Tue Jan 14 15:21:57 EST 2020

Biggest threat to IRLP’s future maybe?

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 3:59 AM "wl7lp via ARM-allstar-irlp" <
arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote:

> What I'd like to know is why Hamvoip IRLP node was singled out and  all
> the ASL irlp bridged nodes are still up and running connected to IRLP
> reflectors? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------From: Tony via ARM-allstar-irlp <
> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> Date: 1/13/20  9:47 PM  (GMT-09:00) To:
> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org Cc: Tony <node4139x at gmail.com> Subject: Re:
> [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users Very well-put,
> David.On 1/13/20 6:10 PM, "David McGough via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:>
> Fred,>> HamVoIP and AllStar are not dependent on any external servers. You
> can> setup completely private networks, even build your own network from>
> scratch, if you wanted to. Many have built and run their own networks,>
> including me.>> In their default setups, both IRLP and AllStar depend on
> central servers> to provide a frequently updated mapping of IP addresses to
> nodes. This is> needed only if IP addresses change, unneeded if all the
> addresses are> static.  The IRLP servers also provide updated public PGP
> keyrings.>> AllStar has numerous advantages over IRLP. Some are: true
> full-duplex> communications, each node is a full "reflector," allowing
> many> simultaneous in-bound and out-bound connections, many more CODECs>
> available, fully integrated repeater control is built-in, flexible>
> software-based bridging is easily setup, if desired, only one single UDP>
> port is needed, IAX2 provides packet jitter-buffering, automatically>
> compensating for network latency changes, there are MANY sources of>
> compatible hardware, you're not locked into a single source and the list>
> goes on and on.>> Honestly, I'm not aware of any area where IRLP has
> superiority, at this> point?? I know some persons have commented about
> IRLP's PGP node> authentication for security. I guess it should be pointed
> out that IRLP's> version of PGP uses RSA-512 keys, which were considered
> obsolete 20 years> ago. These keys were first cracked in 1999!  Today,
> RSA-512 private keys> can be revealed within a few hours by any hacker who
> might happen to take> interest.>> Doug's comments were spot-on. There was
> no slander.  There is a huge> learning curve with AllStar, I won't deny
> that. It's truly ashame that the> IRLP world seems to want to maintain an
> isolationist policy all the way to> the end.  The pages of history are
> turning.>>> 73, David KB4FXC>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2020, "w5mgm--- via
> ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:>>> Doug,>       There's a lot of reasons that some
> of use IRLP.  Perfect example> is right now the way the Allstar system is
> set up, it depends on> Allstar's servers for my node to maintain a
> connection to other nodes.> With IRLP, once my node is connected to another
> node or reflector,> IRLP's servers are not needed to keep the connection
> alive.   So if> David Cameron shut down shop tomorrow, all of our IRLP
> systems would> still work, there just wouldn't be any new nodes added to
> the network.> I don't believe we can say the same if Allstar's servers were
> to all> be shutdown.   That being said, why you would put down and slander
> IRLP> is beyond me.>> Fred> W5MGM>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM, Doug
> Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp <arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote:>>>>
> Larry,>>>>   Sorry to hear you are down with the flu. I wish you a
> speedy recovery.>>>> As far as IRLP is concerned I really think its days
> are numbered. It is>> very insecure, so much less feature enhanced, and
> generally outdated>> compared to Hamvoip Allstar. Why anyone would run IRLP
> with Hamvoip being>> available is beyond me. As you know I ran IRLP for
> about a year about 8>> years ago now. That may have been how we met. Anyhow
> I quickly realized>> that is was not for me mainly because of the politics
> and so called rules>> not to mention the vast superiority of Allstar. I
> would encourage you to>> get people that you know on IRLP over on Allstar.
> It is easy to do and for>> those that have a real IRLP Pi system using a Pi
> 2 or newer it would cost>> less than $60 to do it. If anyone needs help
> referring them to hamvoip.org>> and my email. For those Hamvoip users
> that have added IRLP most reflectors>> have Allstar inputs so there is no
> reason to connect using IRLP. This>> latest tactic by Cameron and his
> henchmen will only bring more people to>> Allstar.>>>>>> *73 Doug*>>>>
> *WA3DSP*>>>> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <
> http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*>>>>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 3:12 PM
> "Larry via ARM-allstar-irlp" <>>> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>
> wrote:>>>>>> Good afternoon Doug, hope you and yours had a great holiday. I
> think IRLP>>> admin blocked my node (8277). I've had this node from the
> beginning at>>> lesst>>> 15-20 years. Software & hardware brought from
> IRLP. Don't have any>>> receipts.>>> Who keeps receipts after 5 years,
> unless it's taxes Hi. I think I saw>>> something a few years back about
> hams downloading IRLP with out buying to>>> get a node #. I'll stay tune,
> only use IRLP to chat with friends on 9613.>>> Oh>>> yea he knows about
> Allstar, can't teach a old DOG new tricks.>>>>>> Take care trying to get
> over this flu!>>> Slowly trying to get my e-mails over to
> contact at n3vsi.com>>> So far I'm getting the ARM- allstar Digest at that
> e-mail>>>>>> Contact me>>> contact at n3vsi.com>>> You have my home #>>>
> Later>>> Larry N3vsi>>>>>> -----Original Message----->>> From: "Doug
> Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp">>> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:02>>>
> To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> Cc: Doug Crompton>>> Subject:
> [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users>>>>>> It has
> come to our attention that some of the Hamvoip IRLP module users>>> can no
> longer connect to IRLP nodes or reflectors. This is because the>>> IRLP
> public keys for these nodes have been pulled by the IRLP management.>>> We
> have learned that some Hamvoip users may have fraudulently acquired>>> keys
> and otherwise frustrated the IRLP management. We warned people in our>>>
> howto that the IRLP system is a closely controlled system and keys are>>>
> sold with the IRLP hardware. Only users who actually buy hardware or
> keys>>> from IRLP are authorized into the system. The Hamvoip IRLP gateway
> was>>> intended to allow real and authorized IRLP users who had hardware
> to>>> integrate it into one Pi system with Hamvoip code. We also warned
> users of>>> Hamvoip IRLP that they were to come to us first (this list) NOT
> the IRLP>>> forums for help and apparently that has not always been the
> case.>>>>>> We are currently working with the IRLP management, trying to
> resolve their>>> concerns. If your Hamvoip IRLP node has stopped working,
> it is most likely>>> because your key or the key of the node you are trying
> to connect to has>>> been removed.  Many IRLP users and reflectors also
> have connectivity to>>> AllStar. If you're trying to connect to a system
> that already provides a>>> bridge to AllStar, don't connect via IRLP, use
> AllStar!>>>>>> If you have an IRLP system that you bought and you own the
> keys for and>>> you converted it to Hamvoip and retired the original IRLP
> hardware, then>>> you should in our opinion be entitled to retain your key
> and use IRLP.>>> But that hardware is not to be sold to someone else to
> again obtain>>> another key fraudulently.. These are not our rules. Hamvoip
> code and>>> operation is totally free and based on donations, IRLP is not.
> They make>>> money to support their operational expenses based on the sale
> of hardware.>>> If they want to sell keys minus hardware it is up to them,
> but understand>>> we have no control over that. If you have a fully legal
> IRLP node that you>>> purchased and own the key for and it is not working
> then you should>>> contact Dave Cameron directly with a plea to reinstate
> your key. Before>>> contacting Dave Cameron, it would be best to locate
> proof, if possible,>>> that you are the legitimate IRLP node owner.>>>>>>
> We apologize for this inconvenience but IRLP users have to understand
> the>>> substantial difference in nature both operationally and politically
> between>>> Hamvoip and IRLP. You do have a choice! We have in the past
> expressed the>>> considerable advantages in using Hamvoip Allstar vs. IRLP
> which are too>>> numerous to list here.>>>
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