From wa3dsp at gmail.com Thu Jan 2 01:12:27 2020 From: wa3dsp at gmail.com (Doug Crompton) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 01:12:27 -0500 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Updated IRLP install howto Message-ID: I updated the IRLP install howto at hamvoip.org tonight. Nothing significantly changed. The main point expressed is that installation is rather simple and you must follow the howto instructions. Don't over think it, don't copy scripts from your old install other than the key, and don't run any scripts manually. The install is automatic once you complete all the steps and reboot. *73 Doug* *WA3DSP* *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * From wa3dsp at gmail.com Sat Jan 11 01:02:46 2020 From: wa3dsp at gmail.com (Doug Crompton) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 01:02:46 -0500 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It has come to our attention that some of the Hamvoip IRLP module users can no longer connect to IRLP nodes or reflectors. This is because the IRLP public keys for these nodes have been pulled by the IRLP management. We have learned that some Hamvoip users may have fraudulently acquired keys and otherwise frustrated the IRLP management. We warned people in our howto that the IRLP system is a closely controlled system and keys are sold with the IRLP hardware. Only users who actually buy hardware or keys from IRLP are authorized into the system. The Hamvoip IRLP gateway was intended to allow real and authorized IRLP users who had hardware to integrate it into one Pi system with Hamvoip code. We also warned users of Hamvoip IRLP that they were to come to us first (this list) NOT the IRLP forums for help and apparently that has not always been the case. We are currently working with the IRLP management, trying to resolve their concerns. If your Hamvoip IRLP node has stopped working, it is most likely because your key or the key of the node you are trying to connect to has been removed. Many IRLP users and reflectors also have connectivity to AllStar. If you're trying to connect to a system that already provides a bridge to AllStar, don't connect via IRLP, use AllStar! If you have an IRLP system that you bought and you own the keys for and you converted it to Hamvoip and retired the original IRLP hardware, then you should in our opinion be entitled to retain your key and use IRLP. But that hardware is not to be sold to someone else to again obtain another key fraudulently.. These are not our rules. Hamvoip code and operation is totally free and based on donations, IRLP is not. They make money to support their operational expenses based on the sale of hardware. If they want to sell keys minus hardware it is up to them, but understand we have no control over that. If you have a fully legal IRLP node that you purchased and own the key for and it is not working then you should contact Dave Cameron directly with a plea to reinstate your key. Before contacting Dave Cameron, it would be best to locate proof, if possible, that you are the legitimate IRLP node owner. We apologize for this inconvenience but IRLP users have to understand the substantial difference in nature both operationally and politically between Hamvoip and IRLP. You do have a choice! We have in the past expressed the considerable advantages in using Hamvoip Allstar vs. IRLP which are too numerous to list here. From n3vsi1 at verizon.net Sat Jan 11 13:56:47 2020 From: n3vsi1 at verizon.net (Larry) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 13:56:47 -0500 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good afternoon Doug, hope you and yours had a great holiday. I think IRLP admin blocked my node (8277). I've had this node from the beginning at lesst 15-20 years. Software & hardware brought from IRLP. Don't have any receipts. Who keeps receipts after 5 years, unless it's taxes Hi. I think I saw something a few years back about hams downloading IRLP with out buying to get a node #. I'll stay tune, only use IRLP to chat with friends on 9613. Oh yea he knows about Allstar, can't teach a old DOG new tricks. Take care trying to get over this flu! Slowly trying to get my e-mails over to contact at n3vsi.com So far I'm getting the ARM- allstar Digest at that e-mail Contact me contact at n3vsi.com You have my home # Later Larry N3vsi -----Original Message----- From: "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp" Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:02 To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org Cc: Doug Crompton Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users It has come to our attention that some of the Hamvoip IRLP module users can no longer connect to IRLP nodes or reflectors. This is because the IRLP public keys for these nodes have been pulled by the IRLP management. We have learned that some Hamvoip users may have fraudulently acquired keys and otherwise frustrated the IRLP management. We warned people in our howto that the IRLP system is a closely controlled system and keys are sold with the IRLP hardware. Only users who actually buy hardware or keys from IRLP are authorized into the system. The Hamvoip IRLP gateway was intended to allow real and authorized IRLP users who had hardware to integrate it into one Pi system with Hamvoip code. We also warned users of Hamvoip IRLP that they were to come to us first (this list) NOT the IRLP forums for help and apparently that has not always been the case. We are currently working with the IRLP management, trying to resolve their concerns. If your Hamvoip IRLP node has stopped working, it is most likely because your key or the key of the node you are trying to connect to has been removed. Many IRLP users and reflectors also have connectivity to AllStar. If you're trying to connect to a system that already provides a bridge to AllStar, don't connect via IRLP, use AllStar! If you have an IRLP system that you bought and you own the keys for and you converted it to Hamvoip and retired the original IRLP hardware, then you should in our opinion be entitled to retain your key and use IRLP. But that hardware is not to be sold to someone else to again obtain another key fraudulently.. These are not our rules. Hamvoip code and operation is totally free and based on donations, IRLP is not. They make money to support their operational expenses based on the sale of hardware. If they want to sell keys minus hardware it is up to them, but understand we have no control over that. If you have a fully legal IRLP node that you purchased and own the key for and it is not working then you should contact Dave Cameron directly with a plea to reinstate your key. Before contacting Dave Cameron, it would be best to locate proof, if possible, that you are the legitimate IRLP node owner. We apologize for this inconvenience but IRLP users have to understand the substantial difference in nature both operationally and politically between Hamvoip and IRLP. You do have a choice! We have in the past expressed the considerable advantages in using Hamvoip Allstar vs. IRLP which are too numerous to list here. _______________________________________________ ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp From wa3dsp at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 01:19:28 2020 From: wa3dsp at gmail.com (Doug Crompton) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 01:19:28 -0500 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Larry, Sorry to hear you are down with the flu. I wish you a speedy recovery. As far as IRLP is concerned I really think its days are numbered. It is very insecure, so much less feature enhanced, and generally outdated compared to Hamvoip Allstar. Why anyone would run IRLP with Hamvoip being available is beyond me. As you know I ran IRLP for about a year about 8 years ago now. That may have been how we met. Anyhow I quickly realized that is was not for me mainly because of the politics and so called rules not to mention the vast superiority of Allstar. I would encourage you to get people that you know on IRLP over on Allstar. It is easy to do and for those that have a real IRLP Pi system using a Pi 2 or newer it would cost less than $60 to do it. If anyone needs help referring them to hamvoip.org and my email. For those Hamvoip users that have added IRLP most reflectors have Allstar inputs so there is no reason to connect using IRLP. This latest tactic by Cameron and his henchmen will only bring more people to Allstar. *73 Doug* *WA3DSP* *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 3:12 PM "Larry via ARM-allstar-irlp" < arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > Good afternoon Doug, hope you and yours had a great holiday. I think IRLP > admin blocked my node (8277). I've had this node from the beginning at > lesst > 15-20 years. Software & hardware brought from IRLP. Don't have any > receipts. > Who keeps receipts after 5 years, unless it's taxes Hi. I think I saw > something a few years back about hams downloading IRLP with out buying to > get a node #. I'll stay tune, only use IRLP to chat with friends on 9613. > Oh > yea he knows about Allstar, can't teach a old DOG new tricks. > > Take care trying to get over this flu! > Slowly trying to get my e-mails over to contact at n3vsi.com > So far I'm getting the ARM- allstar Digest at that e-mail > > Contact me > contact at n3vsi.com > You have my home # > Later > Larry N3vsi > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp" > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:02 > To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > Cc: Doug Crompton > Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users > > It has come to our attention that some of the Hamvoip IRLP module users > can no longer connect to IRLP nodes or reflectors. This is because the > IRLP public keys for these nodes have been pulled by the IRLP management. > We have learned that some Hamvoip users may have fraudulently acquired > keys and otherwise frustrated the IRLP management. We warned people in our > howto that the IRLP system is a closely controlled system and keys are > sold with the IRLP hardware. Only users who actually buy hardware or keys > from IRLP are authorized into the system. The Hamvoip IRLP gateway was > intended to allow real and authorized IRLP users who had hardware to > integrate it into one Pi system with Hamvoip code. We also warned users of > Hamvoip IRLP that they were to come to us first (this list) NOT the IRLP > forums for help and apparently that has not always been the case. > > We are currently working with the IRLP management, trying to resolve their > concerns. If your Hamvoip IRLP node has stopped working, it is most likely > because your key or the key of the node you are trying to connect to has > been removed. Many IRLP users and reflectors also have connectivity to > AllStar. If you're trying to connect to a system that already provides a > bridge to AllStar, don't connect via IRLP, use AllStar! > > If you have an IRLP system that you bought and you own the keys for and > you converted it to Hamvoip and retired the original IRLP hardware, then > you should in our opinion be entitled to retain your key and use IRLP. > But that hardware is not to be sold to someone else to again obtain > another key fraudulently.. These are not our rules. Hamvoip code and > operation is totally free and based on donations, IRLP is not. They make > money to support their operational expenses based on the sale of hardware. > If they want to sell keys minus hardware it is up to them, but understand > we have no control over that. If you have a fully legal IRLP node that you > purchased and own the key for and it is not working then you should > contact Dave Cameron directly with a plea to reinstate your key. Before > contacting Dave Cameron, it would be best to locate proof, if possible, > that you are the legitimate IRLP node owner. > > We apologize for this inconvenience but IRLP users have to understand the > substantial difference in nature both operationally and politically between > Hamvoip and IRLP. You do have a choice! We have in the past expressed the > considerable advantages in using Hamvoip Allstar vs. IRLP which are too > numerous to list here. > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > From w5mgm at aol.com Mon Jan 13 20:15:30 2020 From: w5mgm at aol.com (w5mgm at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 19:15:30 -0600 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Doug, There?s a lot of reasons that some of use IRLP. Perfect example is right now the way the Allstar system is set up, it depends on Allstar?s servers for my node to maintain a connection to other nodes. With IRLP, once my node is connected to another node or reflector, IRLP?s servers are not needed to keep the connection alive. So if David Cameron shut down shop tomorrow, all of our IRLP systems would still work, there just wouldn?t be any new nodes added to the network. I don?t believe we can say the same if Allstar?s servers were to all be shutdown. That being said, why you would put down and slander IRLP is beyond me. Fred W5MGM > On Jan 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM, Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp wrote: > > ?Larry, > > Sorry to hear you are down with the flu. I wish you a speedy recovery. > > As far as IRLP is concerned I really think its days are numbered. It is > very insecure, so much less feature enhanced, and generally outdated > compared to Hamvoip Allstar. Why anyone would run IRLP with Hamvoip being > available is beyond me. As you know I ran IRLP for about a year about 8 > years ago now. That may have been how we met. Anyhow I quickly realized > that is was not for me mainly because of the politics and so called rules > not to mention the vast superiority of Allstar. I would encourage you to > get people that you know on IRLP over on Allstar. It is easy to do and for > those that have a real IRLP Pi system using a Pi 2 or newer it would cost > less than $60 to do it. If anyone needs help referring them to hamvoip.org > and my email. For those Hamvoip users that have added IRLP most reflectors > have Allstar inputs so there is no reason to connect using IRLP. This > latest tactic by Cameron and his henchmen will only bring more people to > Allstar. > > > *73 Doug* > > *WA3DSP* > > *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * > >> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 3:12 PM "Larry via ARM-allstar-irlp" < >> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: >> >> Good afternoon Doug, hope you and yours had a great holiday. I think IRLP >> admin blocked my node (8277). I've had this node from the beginning at >> lesst >> 15-20 years. Software & hardware brought from IRLP. Don't have any >> receipts. >> Who keeps receipts after 5 years, unless it's taxes Hi. I think I saw >> something a few years back about hams downloading IRLP with out buying to >> get a node #. I'll stay tune, only use IRLP to chat with friends on 9613. >> Oh >> yea he knows about Allstar, can't teach a old DOG new tricks. >> >> Take care trying to get over this flu! >> Slowly trying to get my e-mails over to contact at n3vsi.com >> So far I'm getting the ARM- allstar Digest at that e-mail >> >> Contact me >> contact at n3vsi.com >> You have my home # >> Later >> Larry N3vsi >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp" >> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:02 >> To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >> Cc: Doug Crompton >> Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users >> >> It has come to our attention that some of the Hamvoip IRLP module users >> can no longer connect to IRLP nodes or reflectors. This is because the >> IRLP public keys for these nodes have been pulled by the IRLP management. >> We have learned that some Hamvoip users may have fraudulently acquired >> keys and otherwise frustrated the IRLP management. We warned people in our >> howto that the IRLP system is a closely controlled system and keys are >> sold with the IRLP hardware. Only users who actually buy hardware or keys >> from IRLP are authorized into the system. The Hamvoip IRLP gateway was >> intended to allow real and authorized IRLP users who had hardware to >> integrate it into one Pi system with Hamvoip code. We also warned users of >> Hamvoip IRLP that they were to come to us first (this list) NOT the IRLP >> forums for help and apparently that has not always been the case. >> >> We are currently working with the IRLP management, trying to resolve their >> concerns. If your Hamvoip IRLP node has stopped working, it is most likely >> because your key or the key of the node you are trying to connect to has >> been removed. Many IRLP users and reflectors also have connectivity to >> AllStar. If you're trying to connect to a system that already provides a >> bridge to AllStar, don't connect via IRLP, use AllStar! >> >> If you have an IRLP system that you bought and you own the keys for and >> you converted it to Hamvoip and retired the original IRLP hardware, then >> you should in our opinion be entitled to retain your key and use IRLP. >> But that hardware is not to be sold to someone else to again obtain >> another key fraudulently.. These are not our rules. Hamvoip code and >> operation is totally free and based on donations, IRLP is not. They make >> money to support their operational expenses based on the sale of hardware. >> If they want to sell keys minus hardware it is up to them, but understand >> we have no control over that. If you have a fully legal IRLP node that you >> purchased and own the key for and it is not working then you should >> contact Dave Cameron directly with a plea to reinstate your key. Before >> contacting Dave Cameron, it would be best to locate proof, if possible, >> that you are the legitimate IRLP node owner. >> >> We apologize for this inconvenience but IRLP users have to understand the >> substantial difference in nature both operationally and politically between >> Hamvoip and IRLP. You do have a choice! We have in the past expressed the >> considerable advantages in using Hamvoip Allstar vs. IRLP which are too >> numerous to list here. >> _______________________________________________ >> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >> > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp From k4fxc at pcrn.net Mon Jan 13 21:10:13 2020 From: k4fxc at pcrn.net (David McGough) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 21:10:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Fred, HamVoIP and AllStar are not dependent on any external servers. You can setup completely private networks, even build your own network from scratch, if you wanted to. Many have built and run their own networks, including me. In their default setups, both IRLP and AllStar depend on central servers to provide a frequently updated mapping of IP addresses to nodes. This is needed only if IP addresses change, unneeded if all the addresses are static. The IRLP servers also provide updated public PGP keyrings. AllStar has numerous advantages over IRLP. Some are: true full-duplex communications, each node is a full "reflector," allowing many simultaneous in-bound and out-bound connections, many more CODECs available, fully integrated repeater control is built-in, flexible software-based bridging is easily setup, if desired, only one single UDP port is needed, IAX2 provides packet jitter-buffering, automatically compensating for network latency changes, there are MANY sources of compatible hardware, you're not locked into a single source and the list goes on and on. Honestly, I'm not aware of any area where IRLP has superiority, at this point?? I know some persons have commented about IRLP's PGP node authentication for security. I guess it should be pointed out that IRLP's version of PGP uses RSA-512 keys, which were considered obsolete 20 years ago. These keys were first cracked in 1999! Today, RSA-512 private keys can be revealed within a few hours by any hacker who might happen to take interest. Doug's comments were spot-on. There was no slander. There is a huge learning curve with AllStar, I won't deny that. It's truly ashame that the IRLP world seems to want to maintain an isolationist policy all the way to the end. The pages of history are turning. 73, David K4FXC On Mon, 13 Jan 2020, "w5mgm--- via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: > Doug, There's a lot of reasons that some of use IRLP. Perfect example is right now the way the Allstar system is set up, it depends on Allstar's servers for my node to maintain a connection to other nodes. With IRLP, once my node is connected to another node or reflector, IRLP's servers are not needed to keep the connection alive. So if David Cameron shut down shop tomorrow, all of our IRLP systems would still work, there just wouldn't be any new nodes added to the network. I don't believe we can say the same if Allstar's servers were to all be shutdown. That being said, why you would put down and slander IRLP is beyond me. Fred W5MGM > On Jan 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM, Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp wrote: > > ???Larry, > > Sorry to hear you are down with the flu. I wish you a speedy recovery. > > As far as IRLP is concerned I really think its days are numbered. It is > very insecure, so much less feature enhanced, and generally outdated > compared to Hamvoip Allstar. Why anyone would run IRLP with Hamvoip being > available is beyond me. As you know I ran IRLP for about a year about 8 > years ago now. That may have been how we met. Anyhow I quickly realized > that is was not for me mainly because of the politics and so called rules > not to mention the vast superiority of Allstar. I would encourage you to > get people that you know on IRLP over on Allstar. It is easy to do and for > those that have a real IRLP Pi system using a Pi 2 or newer it would cost > less than $60 to do it. If anyone needs help referring them to hamvoip.org > and my email. For those Hamvoip users that have added IRLP most reflectors > have Allstar inputs so there is no reason to connect using IRLP. This > latest tactic by Cameron and his henchmen will only bring more people to > Allstar. > > > *73 Doug* > > *WA3DSP* > > *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * > >> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 3:12 PM "Larry via ARM-allstar-irlp" < >> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: >> >> Good afternoon Doug, hope you and yours had a great holiday. I think IRLP >> admin blocked my node (8277). I've had this node from the beginning at >> lesst >> 15-20 years. Software & hardware brought from IRLP. Don't have any >> receipts. >> Who keeps receipts after 5 years, unless it's taxes Hi. I think I saw >> something a few years back about hams downloading IRLP with out buying to >> get a node #. I'll stay tune, only use IRLP to chat with friends on 9613. >> Oh >> yea he knows about Allstar, can't teach a old DOG new tricks. >> >> Take care trying to get over this flu! >> Slowly trying to get my e-mails over to contact at n3vsi.com >> So far I'm getting the ARM- allstar Digest at that e-mail >> >> Contact me >> contact at n3vsi.com >> You have my home # >> Later >> Larry N3vsi >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp" >> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:02 >> To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >> Cc: Doug Crompton >> Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users >> >> It has come to our attention that some of the Hamvoip IRLP module users >> can no longer connect to IRLP nodes or reflectors. This is because the >> IRLP public keys for these nodes have been pulled by the IRLP management. >> We have learned that some Hamvoip users may have fraudulently acquired >> keys and otherwise frustrated the IRLP management. We warned people in our >> howto that the IRLP system is a closely controlled system and keys are >> sold with the IRLP hardware. Only users who actually buy hardware or keys >> from IRLP are authorized into the system. The Hamvoip IRLP gateway was >> intended to allow real and authorized IRLP users who had hardware to >> integrate it into one Pi system with Hamvoip code. We also warned users of >> Hamvoip IRLP that they were to come to us first (this list) NOT the IRLP >> forums for help and apparently that has not always been the case. >> >> We are currently working with the IRLP management, trying to resolve their >> concerns. If your Hamvoip IRLP node has stopped working, it is most likely >> because your key or the key of the node you are trying to connect to has >> been removed. Many IRLP users and reflectors also have connectivity to >> AllStar. If you're trying to connect to a system that already provides a >> bridge to AllStar, don't connect via IRLP, use AllStar! >> >> If you have an IRLP system that you bought and you own the keys for and >> you converted it to Hamvoip and retired the original IRLP hardware, then >> you should in our opinion be entitled to retain your key and use IRLP. >> But that hardware is not to be sold to someone else to again obtain >> another key fraudulently.. These are not our rules. Hamvoip code and >> operation is totally free and based on donations, IRLP is not. They make >> money to support their operational expenses based on the sale of hardware. >> If they want to sell keys minus hardware it is up to them, but understand >> we have no control over that. If you have a fully legal IRLP node that you >> purchased and own the key for and it is not working then you should >> contact Dave Cameron directly with a plea to reinstate your key. Before >> contacting Dave Cameron, it would be best to locate proof, if possible, >> that you are the legitimate IRLP node owner. >> >> We apologize for this inconvenience but IRLP users have to understand the >> substantial difference in nature both operationally and politically between >> Hamvoip and IRLP. You do have a choice! We have in the past expressed the >> considerable advantages in using Hamvoip Allstar vs. IRLP which are too >> numerous to list here. >> _______________________________________________ >> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >> > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp _______________________________________________ ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp From wa3dsp at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 23:17:33 2020 From: wa3dsp at gmail.com (Doug Crompton) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 23:17:33 -0500 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I totally agree with Dave in fact I was thinking this - if anyone can come up with a reason why IRLP is better than Allstar please let me know. I have not been able to think of one thing. On the other hand I can think of many many things why it is not. I will re-emphasis what Dave said about servers. Allstar is actually easier to run independently than IRLP if you so desire. The only thing two nodes need to do to connect to each other is share their node number, public IP address and port and they can connect assuming that the one at the other end of the connect has the port forwarded. The reason we have a registration server is to distribute the IP addresses and ports. It is like a phone book to where you are trying to connect. Hamvoip does this with DNS and it is very efficient. It also offers security to the system so just anyone can't connect keeping it an amateur licensed system. As for a $60 conversion from IRLP to Allstar - assuming you already have a Pi 2,3, or 4and power supply running real IRLP. You would need a sound FOB which is about $40, a new SD card $6, and the end of your current radio cable wired to the sound FOB. So actually it is less than $60. Finally it is your choice what you want to do but no one including myself has ever looked back when they left IRLP!!! *73 Doug* *WA3DSP* *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:10 PM "David McGough via ARM-allstar-irlp" < arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > > Fred, > > HamVoIP and AllStar are not dependent on any external servers. You can > setup completely private networks, even build your own network from > scratch, if you wanted to. Many have built and run their own networks, > including me. > > In their default setups, both IRLP and AllStar depend on central servers > to provide a frequently updated mapping of IP addresses to nodes. This is > needed only if IP addresses change, unneeded if all the addresses are > static. The IRLP servers also provide updated public PGP keyrings. > > AllStar has numerous advantages over IRLP. Some are: true full-duplex > communications, each node is a full "reflector," allowing many > simultaneous in-bound and out-bound connections, many more CODECs > available, fully integrated repeater control is built-in, flexible > software-based bridging is easily setup, if desired, only one single UDP > port is needed, IAX2 provides packet jitter-buffering, automatically > compensating for network latency changes, there are MANY sources of > compatible hardware, you're not locked into a single source and the list > goes on and on. > > Honestly, I'm not aware of any area where IRLP has superiority, at this > point?? I know some persons have commented about IRLP's PGP node > authentication for security. I guess it should be pointed out that IRLP's > version of PGP uses RSA-512 keys, which were considered obsolete 20 years > ago. These keys were first cracked in 1999! Today, RSA-512 private keys > can be revealed within a few hours by any hacker who might happen to take > interest. > > Doug's comments were spot-on. There was no slander. There is a huge > learning curve with AllStar, I won't deny that. It's truly ashame that the > IRLP world seems to want to maintain an isolationist policy all the way to > the end. The pages of history are turning. > > > 73, David K4FXC > > > On Mon, 13 Jan 2020, "w5mgm--- via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: > > > Doug, > > There's a lot of reasons that some of use IRLP. Perfect example > is right now the way the Allstar system is set up, it depends on > Allstar's servers for my node to maintain a connection to other nodes. > With IRLP, once my node is connected to another node or reflector, > IRLP's servers are not needed to keep the connection alive. So if > David Cameron shut down shop tomorrow, all of our IRLP systems would > still work, there just wouldn't be any new nodes added to the network. > I don't believe we can say the same if Allstar's servers were to all > be shutdown. That being said, why you would put down and slander IRLP > is beyond me. > > Fred > W5MGM > > > On Jan 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM, Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp < > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > > > > ???Larry, > > > > Sorry to hear you are down with the flu. I wish you a speedy recovery. > > > > As far as IRLP is concerned I really think its days are numbered. It is > > very insecure, so much less feature enhanced, and generally outdated > > compared to Hamvoip Allstar. Why anyone would run IRLP with Hamvoip being > > available is beyond me. As you know I ran IRLP for about a year about 8 > > years ago now. That may have been how we met. Anyhow I quickly realized > > that is was not for me mainly because of the politics and so called rules > > not to mention the vast superiority of Allstar. I would encourage you to > > get people that you know on IRLP over on Allstar. It is easy to do and > for > > those that have a real IRLP Pi system using a Pi 2 or newer it would cost > > less than $60 to do it. If anyone needs help referring them to > hamvoip.org > > and my email. For those Hamvoip users that have added IRLP most > reflectors > > have Allstar inputs so there is no reason to connect using IRLP. This > > latest tactic by Cameron and his henchmen will only bring more people to > > Allstar. > > > > > > *73 Doug* > > > > *WA3DSP* > > > > *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * > > > >> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 3:12 PM "Larry via ARM-allstar-irlp" < > >> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > >> > >> Good afternoon Doug, hope you and yours had a great holiday. I think > IRLP > >> admin blocked my node (8277). I've had this node from the beginning at > >> lesst > >> 15-20 years. Software & hardware brought from IRLP. Don't have any > >> receipts. > >> Who keeps receipts after 5 years, unless it's taxes Hi. I think I saw > >> something a few years back about hams downloading IRLP with out buying > to > >> get a node #. I'll stay tune, only use IRLP to chat with friends on > 9613. > >> Oh > >> yea he knows about Allstar, can't teach a old DOG new tricks. > >> > >> Take care trying to get over this flu! > >> Slowly trying to get my e-mails over to contact at n3vsi.com > >> So far I'm getting the ARM- allstar Digest at that e-mail > >> > >> Contact me > >> contact at n3vsi.com > >> You have my home # > >> Later > >> Larry N3vsi > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp" > >> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:02 > >> To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > >> Cc: Doug Crompton > >> Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users > >> > >> It has come to our attention that some of the Hamvoip IRLP module users > >> can no longer connect to IRLP nodes or reflectors. This is because the > >> IRLP public keys for these nodes have been pulled by the IRLP > management. > >> We have learned that some Hamvoip users may have fraudulently acquired > >> keys and otherwise frustrated the IRLP management. We warned people in > our > >> howto that the IRLP system is a closely controlled system and keys are > >> sold with the IRLP hardware. Only users who actually buy hardware or > keys > >> from IRLP are authorized into the system. The Hamvoip IRLP gateway was > >> intended to allow real and authorized IRLP users who had hardware to > >> integrate it into one Pi system with Hamvoip code. We also warned users > of > >> Hamvoip IRLP that they were to come to us first (this list) NOT the IRLP > >> forums for help and apparently that has not always been the case. > >> > >> We are currently working with the IRLP management, trying to resolve > their > >> concerns. If your Hamvoip IRLP node has stopped working, it is most > likely > >> because your key or the key of the node you are trying to connect to has > >> been removed. Many IRLP users and reflectors also have connectivity to > >> AllStar. If you're trying to connect to a system that already provides a > >> bridge to AllStar, don't connect via IRLP, use AllStar! > >> > >> If you have an IRLP system that you bought and you own the keys for and > >> you converted it to Hamvoip and retired the original IRLP hardware, then > >> you should in our opinion be entitled to retain your key and use IRLP. > >> But that hardware is not to be sold to someone else to again obtain > >> another key fraudulently.. These are not our rules. Hamvoip code and > >> operation is totally free and based on donations, IRLP is not. They make > >> money to support their operational expenses based on the sale of > hardware. > >> If they want to sell keys minus hardware it is up to them, but > understand > >> we have no control over that. If you have a fully legal IRLP node that > you > >> purchased and own the key for and it is not working then you should > >> contact Dave Cameron directly with a plea to reinstate your key. Before > >> contacting Dave Cameron, it would be best to locate proof, if possible, > >> that you are the legitimate IRLP node owner. > >> > >> We apologize for this inconvenience but IRLP users have to understand > the > >> substantial difference in nature both operationally and politically > between > >> Hamvoip and IRLP. You do have a choice! We have in the past expressed > the > >> considerable advantages in using Hamvoip Allstar vs. IRLP which are too > >> numerous to list here. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > >> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > >> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > >> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > >> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > From node4139x at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 01:47:38 2020 From: node4139x at gmail.com (Tony) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 22:47:38 -0800 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very well-put, David. On 1/13/20 6:10 PM, "David McGough via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: > Fred, > > HamVoIP and AllStar are not dependent on any external servers. You can > setup completely private networks, even build your own network from > scratch, if you wanted to. Many have built and run their own networks, > including me. > > In their default setups, both IRLP and AllStar depend on central servers > to provide a frequently updated mapping of IP addresses to nodes. This is > needed only if IP addresses change, unneeded if all the addresses are > static. The IRLP servers also provide updated public PGP keyrings. > > AllStar has numerous advantages over IRLP. Some are: true full-duplex > communications, each node is a full "reflector," allowing many > simultaneous in-bound and out-bound connections, many more CODECs > available, fully integrated repeater control is built-in, flexible > software-based bridging is easily setup, if desired, only one single UDP > port is needed, IAX2 provides packet jitter-buffering, automatically > compensating for network latency changes, there are MANY sources of > compatible hardware, you're not locked into a single source and the list > goes on and on. > > Honestly, I'm not aware of any area where IRLP has superiority, at this > point?? I know some persons have commented about IRLP's PGP node > authentication for security. I guess it should be pointed out that IRLP's > version of PGP uses RSA-512 keys, which were considered obsolete 20 years > ago. These keys were first cracked in 1999! Today, RSA-512 private keys > can be revealed within a few hours by any hacker who might happen to take > interest. > > Doug's comments were spot-on. There was no slander. There is a huge > learning curve with AllStar, I won't deny that. It's truly ashame that the > IRLP world seems to want to maintain an isolationist policy all the way to > the end. The pages of history are turning. > > > 73, David K4FXC > > > On Mon, 13 Jan 2020, "w5mgm--- via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: > >> Doug, > There's a lot of reasons that some of use IRLP. Perfect example > is right now the way the Allstar system is set up, it depends on > Allstar's servers for my node to maintain a connection to other nodes. > With IRLP, once my node is connected to another node or reflector, > IRLP's servers are not needed to keep the connection alive. So if > David Cameron shut down shop tomorrow, all of our IRLP systems would > still work, there just wouldn't be any new nodes added to the network. > I don't believe we can say the same if Allstar's servers were to all > be shutdown. That being said, why you would put down and slander IRLP > is beyond me. > > Fred > W5MGM > >> On Jan 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM, Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp wrote: >> >> ???Larry, >> >> Sorry to hear you are down with the flu. I wish you a speedy recovery. >> >> As far as IRLP is concerned I really think its days are numbered. It is >> very insecure, so much less feature enhanced, and generally outdated >> compared to Hamvoip Allstar. Why anyone would run IRLP with Hamvoip being >> available is beyond me. As you know I ran IRLP for about a year about 8 >> years ago now. That may have been how we met. Anyhow I quickly realized >> that is was not for me mainly because of the politics and so called rules >> not to mention the vast superiority of Allstar. I would encourage you to >> get people that you know on IRLP over on Allstar. It is easy to do and for >> those that have a real IRLP Pi system using a Pi 2 or newer it would cost >> less than $60 to do it. If anyone needs help referring them to hamvoip.org >> and my email. For those Hamvoip users that have added IRLP most reflectors >> have Allstar inputs so there is no reason to connect using IRLP. This >> latest tactic by Cameron and his henchmen will only bring more people to >> Allstar. >> >> >> *73 Doug* >> >> *WA3DSP* >> >> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * >> >>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 3:12 PM "Larry via ARM-allstar-irlp" < >>> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: >>> >>> Good afternoon Doug, hope you and yours had a great holiday. I think IRLP >>> admin blocked my node (8277). I've had this node from the beginning at >>> lesst >>> 15-20 years. Software & hardware brought from IRLP. Don't have any >>> receipts. >>> Who keeps receipts after 5 years, unless it's taxes Hi. I think I saw >>> something a few years back about hams downloading IRLP with out buying to >>> get a node #. I'll stay tune, only use IRLP to chat with friends on 9613. >>> Oh >>> yea he knows about Allstar, can't teach a old DOG new tricks. >>> >>> Take care trying to get over this flu! >>> Slowly trying to get my e-mails over to contact at n3vsi.com >>> So far I'm getting the ARM- allstar Digest at that e-mail >>> >>> Contact me >>> contact at n3vsi.com >>> You have my home # >>> Later >>> Larry N3vsi >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp" >>> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:02 >>> To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >>> Cc: Doug Crompton >>> Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users >>> >>> It has come to our attention that some of the Hamvoip IRLP module users >>> can no longer connect to IRLP nodes or reflectors. This is because the >>> IRLP public keys for these nodes have been pulled by the IRLP management. >>> We have learned that some Hamvoip users may have fraudulently acquired >>> keys and otherwise frustrated the IRLP management. We warned people in our >>> howto that the IRLP system is a closely controlled system and keys are >>> sold with the IRLP hardware. Only users who actually buy hardware or keys >>> from IRLP are authorized into the system. The Hamvoip IRLP gateway was >>> intended to allow real and authorized IRLP users who had hardware to >>> integrate it into one Pi system with Hamvoip code. We also warned users of >>> Hamvoip IRLP that they were to come to us first (this list) NOT the IRLP >>> forums for help and apparently that has not always been the case. >>> >>> We are currently working with the IRLP management, trying to resolve their >>> concerns. If your Hamvoip IRLP node has stopped working, it is most likely >>> because your key or the key of the node you are trying to connect to has >>> been removed. Many IRLP users and reflectors also have connectivity to >>> AllStar. If you're trying to connect to a system that already provides a >>> bridge to AllStar, don't connect via IRLP, use AllStar! >>> >>> If you have an IRLP system that you bought and you own the keys for and >>> you converted it to Hamvoip and retired the original IRLP hardware, then >>> you should in our opinion be entitled to retain your key and use IRLP. >>> But that hardware is not to be sold to someone else to again obtain >>> another key fraudulently.. These are not our rules. Hamvoip code and >>> operation is totally free and based on donations, IRLP is not. They make >>> money to support their operational expenses based on the sale of hardware. >>> If they want to sell keys minus hardware it is up to them, but understand >>> we have no control over that. If you have a fully legal IRLP node that you >>> purchased and own the key for and it is not working then you should >>> contact Dave Cameron directly with a plea to reinstate your key. Before >>> contacting Dave Cameron, it would be best to locate proof, if possible, >>> that you are the legitimate IRLP node owner. >>> >>> We apologize for this inconvenience but IRLP users have to understand the >>> substantial difference in nature both operationally and politically between >>> Hamvoip and IRLP. You do have a choice! We have in the past expressed the >>> considerable advantages in using Hamvoip Allstar vs. IRLP which are too >>> numerous to list here. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >>> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >>> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp From celltech161 at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 01:55:10 2020 From: celltech161 at gmail.com (Justin Reed) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 00:55:10 -0600 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6415437C-FBB9-4FB1-97C1-587904B0C69F@gmail.com> Like literally all we Allstar guys need to do is exchange IP info and we can connect any time 24/7 whether David Cameron?s shit is running or not. You IRLP guys are beholden to him, if he pulls the plug you are all SOL. Allstar could drop dead 100% tomorrow as an organization and every one of the nodes would work because there would be a sudden mass exchange of IP?s via email. Good riddance, IRLP. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2020, at 12:47 AM, Tony via ARM-allstar-irlp wrote: > > ?Very well-put, David. > >> On 1/13/20 6:10 PM, "David McGough via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: >> Fred, >> >> HamVoIP and AllStar are not dependent on any external servers. You can >> setup completely private networks, even build your own network from >> scratch, if you wanted to. Many have built and run their own networks, >> including me. >> >> In their default setups, both IRLP and AllStar depend on central servers >> to provide a frequently updated mapping of IP addresses to nodes. This is >> needed only if IP addresses change, unneeded if all the addresses are >> static. The IRLP servers also provide updated public PGP keyrings. >> >> AllStar has numerous advantages over IRLP. Some are: true full-duplex >> communications, each node is a full "reflector," allowing many >> simultaneous in-bound and out-bound connections, many more CODECs >> available, fully integrated repeater control is built-in, flexible >> software-based bridging is easily setup, if desired, only one single UDP >> port is needed, IAX2 provides packet jitter-buffering, automatically >> compensating for network latency changes, there are MANY sources of >> compatible hardware, you're not locked into a single source and the list >> goes on and on. >> >> Honestly, I'm not aware of any area where IRLP has superiority, at this >> point?? I know some persons have commented about IRLP's PGP node >> authentication for security. I guess it should be pointed out that IRLP's >> version of PGP uses RSA-512 keys, which were considered obsolete 20 years >> ago. These keys were first cracked in 1999! Today, RSA-512 private keys >> can be revealed within a few hours by any hacker who might happen to take >> interest. >> >> Doug's comments were spot-on. There was no slander. There is a huge >> learning curve with AllStar, I won't deny that. It's truly ashame that the >> IRLP world seems to want to maintain an isolationist policy all the way to >> the end. The pages of history are turning. >> >> >> 73, David K4FXC >> >> >>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2020, "w5mgm--- via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: >>> >>> Doug, >> There's a lot of reasons that some of use IRLP. Perfect example >> is right now the way the Allstar system is set up, it depends on >> Allstar's servers for my node to maintain a connection to other nodes. >> With IRLP, once my node is connected to another node or reflector, >> IRLP's servers are not needed to keep the connection alive. So if >> David Cameron shut down shop tomorrow, all of our IRLP systems would >> still work, there just wouldn't be any new nodes added to the network. >> I don't believe we can say the same if Allstar's servers were to all >> be shutdown. That being said, why you would put down and slander IRLP >> is beyond me. >> >> Fred >> W5MGM >> >>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM, Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp wrote: >>> >>> ???Larry, >>> >>> Sorry to hear you are down with the flu. I wish you a speedy recovery. >>> >>> As far as IRLP is concerned I really think its days are numbered. It is >>> very insecure, so much less feature enhanced, and generally outdated >>> compared to Hamvoip Allstar. Why anyone would run IRLP with Hamvoip being >>> available is beyond me. As you know I ran IRLP for about a year about 8 >>> years ago now. That may have been how we met. Anyhow I quickly realized >>> that is was not for me mainly because of the politics and so called rules >>> not to mention the vast superiority of Allstar. I would encourage you to >>> get people that you know on IRLP over on Allstar. It is easy to do and for >>> those that have a real IRLP Pi system using a Pi 2 or newer it would cost >>> less than $60 to do it. If anyone needs help referring them to hamvoip.org >>> and my email. For those Hamvoip users that have added IRLP most reflectors >>> have Allstar inputs so there is no reason to connect using IRLP. This >>> latest tactic by Cameron and his henchmen will only bring more people to >>> Allstar. >>> >>> >>> *73 Doug* >>> >>> *WA3DSP* >>> >>> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * >>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 3:12 PM "Larry via ARM-allstar-irlp" < >>>> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Good afternoon Doug, hope you and yours had a great holiday. I think IRLP >>>> admin blocked my node (8277). I've had this node from the beginning at >>>> lesst >>>> 15-20 years. Software & hardware brought from IRLP. Don't have any >>>> receipts. >>>> Who keeps receipts after 5 years, unless it's taxes Hi. I think I saw >>>> something a few years back about hams downloading IRLP with out buying to >>>> get a node #. I'll stay tune, only use IRLP to chat with friends on 9613. >>>> Oh >>>> yea he knows about Allstar, can't teach a old DOG new tricks. >>>> >>>> Take care trying to get over this flu! >>>> Slowly trying to get my e-mails over to contact at n3vsi.com >>>> So far I'm getting the ARM- allstar Digest at that e-mail >>>> >>>> Contact me >>>> contact at n3vsi.com >>>> You have my home # >>>> Later >>>> Larry N3vsi >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp" >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:02 >>>> To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >>>> Cc: Doug Crompton >>>> Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users >>>> >>>> It has come to our attention that some of the Hamvoip IRLP module users >>>> can no longer connect to IRLP nodes or reflectors. This is because the >>>> IRLP public keys for these nodes have been pulled by the IRLP management. >>>> We have learned that some Hamvoip users may have fraudulently acquired >>>> keys and otherwise frustrated the IRLP management. We warned people in our >>>> howto that the IRLP system is a closely controlled system and keys are >>>> sold with the IRLP hardware. Only users who actually buy hardware or keys >>>> from IRLP are authorized into the system. The Hamvoip IRLP gateway was >>>> intended to allow real and authorized IRLP users who had hardware to >>>> integrate it into one Pi system with Hamvoip code. We also warned users of >>>> Hamvoip IRLP that they were to come to us first (this list) NOT the IRLP >>>> forums for help and apparently that has not always been the case. >>>> >>>> We are currently working with the IRLP management, trying to resolve their >>>> concerns. If your Hamvoip IRLP node has stopped working, it is most likely >>>> because your key or the key of the node you are trying to connect to has >>>> been removed. Many IRLP users and reflectors also have connectivity to >>>> AllStar. If you're trying to connect to a system that already provides a >>>> bridge to AllStar, don't connect via IRLP, use AllStar! >>>> >>>> If you have an IRLP system that you bought and you own the keys for and >>>> you converted it to Hamvoip and retired the original IRLP hardware, then >>>> you should in our opinion be entitled to retain your key and use IRLP. >>>> But that hardware is not to be sold to someone else to again obtain >>>> another key fraudulently.. These are not our rules. Hamvoip code and >>>> operation is totally free and based on donations, IRLP is not. They make >>>> money to support their operational expenses based on the sale of hardware. >>>> If they want to sell keys minus hardware it is up to them, but understand >>>> we have no control over that. If you have a fully legal IRLP node that you >>>> purchased and own the key for and it is not working then you should >>>> contact Dave Cameron directly with a plea to reinstate your key. Before >>>> contacting Dave Cameron, it would be best to locate proof, if possible, >>>> that you are the legitimate IRLP node owner. >>>> >>>> We apologize for this inconvenience but IRLP users have to understand the >>>> substantial difference in nature both operationally and politically between >>>> Hamvoip and IRLP. You do have a choice! We have in the past expressed the >>>> considerable advantages in using Hamvoip Allstar vs. IRLP which are too >>>> numerous to list here. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >>>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >>>> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >>>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >>>> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >>> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >> _______________________________________________ >> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp From wl7lp at wl7lp.com Tue Jan 14 02:35:26 2020 From: wl7lp at wl7lp.com (wl7lp) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 22:35:26 -0900 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What I'd like to know is why Hamvoip IRLP node was singled out and? all the ASL irlp bridged nodes are still up and running connected to IRLP reflectors??Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Tony via ARM-allstar-irlp Date: 1/13/20 9:47 PM (GMT-09:00) To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org Cc: Tony Subject: Re: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users Very well-put, David.On 1/13/20 6:10 PM, "David McGough via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:> Fred,>> HamVoIP and AllStar are not dependent on any external servers. You can> setup completely private networks, even build your own network from> scratch, if you wanted to. Many have built and run their own networks,> including me.>> In their default setups, both IRLP and AllStar depend on central servers> to provide a frequently updated mapping of IP addresses to nodes. This is> needed only if IP addresses change, unneeded if all the addresses are> static.? The IRLP servers also provide updated public PGP keyrings.>> AllStar has numerous advantages over IRLP. Some are: true full-duplex> communications, each node is a full "reflector," allowing many> simultaneous in-bound and out-bound connections, many more CODECs> available, fully integrated repeater control is built-in, flexible> software-based bridging is easily setup, if desired, only one single UDP> port is needed, IAX2 provides packet jitter-buffering, automatically> compensating for network latency changes, there are MANY sources of> compatible hardware, you're not locked into a single source and the list> goes on and on.>> Honestly, I'm not aware of any area where IRLP has superiority, at this> point?? I know some persons have commented about IRLP's PGP node> authentication for security. I guess it should be pointed out that IRLP's> version of PGP uses RSA-512 keys, which were considered obsolete 20 years> ago. These keys were first cracked in 1999!? Today, RSA-512 private keys> can be revealed within a few hours by any hacker who might happen to take> interest.>> Doug's comments were spot-on. There was no slander.? There is a huge> learning curve with AllStar, I won't deny that. It's truly ashame that the> IRLP world seems to want to maintain an isolationist policy all the way to> the end.? The pages of history are turning.>>> 73, David KB4FXC>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2020, "w5mgm--- via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:>>> Doug,>?????? There's a lot of reasons that some of use IRLP.? Perfect example> is right now the way the Allstar system is set up, it depends on> Allstar's servers for my node to maintain a connection to other nodes.> With IRLP, once my node is connected to another node or reflector,> IRLP's servers are not needed to keep the connection alive.?? So if> David Cameron shut down shop tomorrow, all of our IRLP systems would> still work, there just wouldn't be any new nodes added to the network.> I don't believe we can say the same if Allstar's servers were to all> be shutdown.?? That being said, why you would put down and slander IRLP> is beyond me.>> Fred> W5MGM>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM, Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp wrote:>>>> ???Larry,>>>>?? Sorry to hear you are down with the flu. I wish you a speedy recovery.>>>> As far as IRLP is concerned I really think its days are numbered. It is>> very insecure, so much less feature enhanced, and generally outdated>> compared to Hamvoip Allstar. Why anyone would run IRLP with Hamvoip being>> available is beyond me. As you know I ran IRLP for about a year about 8>> years ago now. That may have been how we met. Anyhow I quickly realized>> that is was not for me mainly because of the politics and so called rules>> not to mention the vast superiority of Allstar. I would encourage you to>> get people that you know on IRLP over on Allstar. It is easy to do and for>> those that have a real IRLP Pi system using a Pi 2 or newer it would cost>> less than $60 to do it. If anyone needs help referring them to hamvoip.org>> and my email. For those Hamvoip users that have added IRLP most reflectors>> have Allstar inputs so there is no reason to connect using IRLP. This>> latest tactic by Cameron and his henchmen will only bring more people to>> Allstar.>>>>>> *73 Doug*>>>> *WA3DSP*>>>> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio *>>>>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 3:12 PM "Larry via ARM-allstar-irlp" <>>> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote:>>>>>> Good afternoon Doug, hope you and yours had a great holiday. I think IRLP>>> admin blocked my node (8277). I've had this node from the beginning at>>> lesst>>> 15-20 years. Software & hardware brought from IRLP. Don't have any>>> receipts.>>> Who keeps receipts after 5 years, unless it's taxes Hi. I think I saw>>> something a few years back about hams downloading IRLP with out buying to>>> get a node #. I'll stay tune, only use IRLP to chat with friends on 9613.>>> Oh>>> yea he knows about Allstar, can't teach a old DOG new tricks.>>>>>> Take care trying to get over this flu!>>> Slowly trying to get my e-mails over to contact at n3vsi.com>>> So far I'm getting the ARM- allstar Digest at that e-mail>>>>>> Contact me>>> contact at n3vsi.com>>> You have my home #>>> Later>>> Larry N3vsi>>>>>> -----Original Message----->>> From: "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp">>> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:02>>> To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> Cc: Doug Crompton>>> Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users>>>>>> It has come to our attention that some of the Hamvoip IRLP module users>>> can no longer connect to IRLP nodes or reflectors. This is because the>>> IRLP public keys for these nodes have been pulled by the IRLP management.>>> We have learned that some Hamvoip users may have fraudulently acquired>>> keys and otherwise frustrated the IRLP management. We warned people in our>>> howto that the IRLP system is a closely controlled system and keys are>>> sold with the IRLP hardware. Only users who actually buy hardware or keys>>> from IRLP are authorized into the system. The Hamvoip IRLP gateway was>>> intended to allow real and authorized IRLP users who had hardware to>>> integrate it into one Pi system with Hamvoip code. We also warned users of>>> Hamvoip IRLP that they were to come to us first (this list) NOT the IRLP>>> forums for help and apparently that has not always been the case.>>>>>> We are currently working with the IRLP management, trying to resolve their>>> concerns. If your Hamvoip IRLP node has stopped working, it is most likely>>> because your key or the key of the node you are trying to connect to has>>> been removed.? Many IRLP users and reflectors also have connectivity to>>> AllStar. If you're trying to connect to a system that already provides a>>> bridge to AllStar, don't connect via IRLP, use AllStar!>>>>>> If you have an IRLP system that you bought and you own the keys for and>>> you converted it to Hamvoip and retired the original IRLP hardware, then>>> you should in our opinion be entitled to retain your key and use IRLP.>>> But that hardware is not to be sold to someone else to again obtain>>> another key fraudulently.. These are not our rules. Hamvoip code and>>> operation is totally free and based on donations, IRLP is not. They make>>> money to support their operational expenses based on the sale of hardware.>>> If they want to sell keys minus hardware it is up to them, but understand>>> we have no control over that. If you have a fully legal IRLP node that you>>> purchased and own the key for and it is not working then you should>>> contact Dave Cameron directly with a plea to reinstate your key. Before>>> contacting Dave Cameron, it would be best to locate proof, if possible,>>> that you are the legitimate IRLP node owner.>>>>>> We apologize for this inconvenience but IRLP users have to understand the>>> substantial difference in nature both operationally and politically between>>> Hamvoip and IRLP. You do have a choice! We have in the past expressed the>>> considerable advantages in using Hamvoip Allstar vs. IRLP which are too>>> numerous to list here.>>> _______________________________________________>>> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list>>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp>>>>>> _______________________________________________>>> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list>>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp>>>>> _______________________________________________>> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp> _______________________________________________> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp>> _______________________________________________> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp_______________________________________________ARM-allstar-irlp mailing listARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.orghttp://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp From celltech161 at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 13:52:49 2020 From: celltech161 at gmail.com (Justin Reed) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 12:52:49 -0600 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 1/13/2020 10:17 PM, "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: > I totally agree with Dave in fact I was thinking this - if anyone can come > up with a reason why IRLP is better than Allstar please let me know. Well, just to play devils advocate, there is precisely one reason I can think of. IRLP lets you custom define literally any sequence of DTMF that when decoded, will run a defined script. At one time I had many IRLP-based repeaters, changed to Hamvoip, but I kept one IRLP node online just to act as a DTMF to email/SMS paging terminal.? I'm not even using it for linking.? I have my RF-linked sites which have alarms like high building temperature and intrusion alarms - programmed to send those alarms out as DTMF messages. IRLP decodes them and fires out an SMS to my phone from a special account I have set with notifications always on. It works like a champ. With Allstar, something kinda sorta like this could be done but it would have to follow the dial plan rather than being literally any sequence. That's it. There's your one reason and it has nothing to do with linking, really. ;) Luckily this functionality will keep working well after David Cameron has a hissy fit and removes my keys, because the custom decode stuff has nothing to do with negotiating connections. Justin From jed at jedbarton.com Tue Jan 14 14:06:14 2020 From: jed at jedbarton.com (Jed Barton) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 14:06:14 -0500 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: <20200114115953.EBC56A00149@newplesk.inttek.net> References: <20200114115953.EBC56A00149@newplesk.inttek.net> Message-ID: Real simple, they want you to run their outdated junk. So, my story here. I had IRLP for years. We recently made the jump to allstar. We kept IRLP just cause it was 1 of those modes that everyone knew about, it worked and everything. It wasn't broken until last week. Needless to say at this point given their attitude, i'm completely done with IRLP, and not going back. Give me allstar all day long. Doug and David have been truly awesome. They get the true picture. There is nothing wrong with bridging modes. Let's face it, it's 2020 and times have changed. Cheers, Jed On 1/14/20, "wl7lp via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: > What I'd like to know is why Hamvoip IRLP node was singled out and? all the > ASL irlp bridged nodes are still up and running connected to IRLP > reflectors??Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: Tony via ARM-allstar-irlp > Date: 1/13/20 9:47 PM (GMT-09:00) To: > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org Cc: Tony Subject: Re: > [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users Very well-put, > David.On 1/13/20 6:10 PM, "David McGough via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:> > Fred,>> HamVoIP and AllStar are not dependent on any external servers. You > can> setup completely private networks, even build your own network from> > scratch, if you wanted to. Many have built and run their own networks,> > including me.>> In their default setups, both IRLP and AllStar depend on > central servers> to provide a frequently updated mapping of IP addresses to > nodes. This is> needed only if IP addresses change, unneeded if all the > addresses are> static.? The IRLP servers also provide updated public PGP > keyrings.>> AllStar has numerous advantages over IRLP. Some are: true > full-duplex> communications, each node is a full "reflector," allowing many> > simultaneous in-bound and out-bound connections, many more CODECs> > available, fully integrated repeater control is built-in, flexible> > software-based bridging is easily setup, if desired, only one single UDP> > port is needed, IAX2 provides packet jitter-buffering, automatically> > compensating for network latency changes, there are MANY sources of> > compatible hardware, you're not locked into a single source and the list> > goes on and on.>> Honestly, I'm not aware of any area where IRLP has > superiority, at this> point?? I know some persons have commented about > IRLP's PGP node> authentication for security. I guess it should be pointed > out that IRLP's> version of PGP uses RSA-512 keys, which were considered > obsolete 20 years> ago. These keys were first cracked in 1999!? Today, > RSA-512 private keys> can be revealed within a few hours by any hacker who > might happen to take> interest.>> Doug's comments were spot-on. There was no > slander.? There is a huge> learning curve with AllStar, I won't deny that. > It's truly ashame that the> IRLP world seems to want to maintain an > isolationist policy all the way to> the end.? The pages of history are > turning.>>> 73, David K4FXC>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2020, "w5mgm--- via > ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:>>> Doug,>?????? There's a lot of reasons that some > of use IRLP.? Perfect example> is right now the way the Allstar system is > set up, it depends on> Allstar's servers for my node to maintain a > connection to other nodes.> With IRLP, once my node is connected to another > node or reflector,> IRLP's servers are not needed to keep the connection > alive.?? So if> David Cameron shut down shop tomorrow, all of our IRLP > systems would> still work, there just wouldn't be any new nodes added to the > network.> I don't believe we can say the same if Allstar's servers were to > all> be shutdown.?? That being said, why you would put down and slander > IRLP> is beyond me.>> Fred> W5MGM>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM, Doug > Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp wrote:>>>> > ???Larry,>>>>?? Sorry to hear you are down with the flu. I wish you a speedy > recovery.>>>> As far as IRLP is concerned I really think its days are > numbered. It is>> very insecure, so much less feature enhanced, and > generally outdated>> compared to Hamvoip Allstar. Why anyone would run IRLP > with Hamvoip being>> available is beyond me. As you know I ran IRLP for > about a year about 8>> years ago now. That may have been how we met. Anyhow > I quickly realized>> that is was not for me mainly because of the politics > and so called rules>> not to mention the vast superiority of Allstar. I > would encourage you to>> get people that you know on IRLP over on Allstar. > It is easy to do and for>> those that have a real IRLP Pi system using a Pi > 2 or newer it would cost>> less than $60 to do it. If anyone needs help > referring them to hamvoip.org>> and my email. For those Hamvoip users that > have added IRLP most reflectors>> have Allstar inputs so there is no reason > to connect using IRLP. This>> latest tactic by Cameron and his henchmen will > only bring more people to>> Allstar.>>>>>> *73 Doug*>>>> *WA3DSP*>>>> > *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio *>>>>> > On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 3:12 PM "Larry via ARM-allstar-irlp" <>>> > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote:>>>>>> Good afternoon Doug, hope you and > yours had a great holiday. I think IRLP>>> admin blocked my node (8277). > I've had this node from the beginning at>>> lesst>>> 15-20 years. Software & > hardware brought from IRLP. Don't have any>>> receipts.>>> Who keeps > receipts after 5 years, unless it's taxes Hi. I think I saw>>> something a > few years back about hams downloading IRLP with out buying to>>> get a node > #. I'll stay tune, only use IRLP to chat with friends on 9613.>>> Oh>>> yea > he knows about Allstar, can't teach a old DOG new tricks.>>>>>> Take care > trying to get over this flu!>>> Slowly trying to get my e-mails over to > contact at n3vsi.com>>> So far I'm getting the ARM- allstar Digest at that > e-mail>>>>>> Contact me>>> contact at n3vsi.com>>> You have my home #>>> > Later>>> Larry N3vsi>>>>>> -----Original Message----->>> From: "Doug > Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp">>> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:02>>> > To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> Cc: Doug Crompton>>> Subject: > [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users>>>>>> It has > come to our attention that some of the Hamvoip IRLP module users>>> can no > longer connect to IRLP nodes or reflectors. This is because the>>> IRLP > public keys for these nodes have been pulled by the IRLP management.>>> We > have learned that some Hamvoip users may have fraudulently acquired>>> keys > and otherwise frustrated the IRLP management. We warned people in our>>> > howto that the IRLP system is a closely controlled system and keys are>>> > sold with the IRLP hardware. Only users who actually buy hardware or keys>>> > from IRLP are authorized into the system. The Hamvoip IRLP gateway was>>> > intended to allow real and authorized IRLP users who had hardware to>>> > integrate it into one Pi system with Hamvoip code. We also warned users > of>>> Hamvoip IRLP that they were to come to us first (this list) NOT the > IRLP>>> forums for help and apparently that has not always been the > case.>>>>>> We are currently working with the IRLP management, trying to > resolve their>>> concerns. If your Hamvoip IRLP node has stopped working, it > is most likely>>> because your key or the key of the node you are trying to > connect to has>>> been removed.? Many IRLP users and reflectors also have > connectivity to>>> AllStar. If you're trying to connect to a system that > already provides a>>> bridge to AllStar, don't connect via IRLP, use > AllStar!>>>>>> If you have an IRLP system that you bought and you own the > keys for and>>> you converted it to Hamvoip and retired the original IRLP > hardware, then>>> you should in our opinion be entitled to retain your key > and use IRLP.>>> But that hardware is not to be sold to someone else to > again obtain>>> another key fraudulently.. These are not our rules. Hamvoip > code and>>> operation is totally free and based on donations, IRLP is not. > They make>>> money to support their operational expenses based on the sale > of hardware.>>> If they want to sell keys minus hardware it is up to them, > but understand>>> we have no control over that. If you have a fully legal > IRLP node that you>>> purchased and own the key for and it is not working > then you should>>> contact Dave Cameron directly with a plea to reinstate > your key. Before>>> contacting Dave Cameron, it would be best to locate > proof, if possible,>>> that you are the legitimate IRLP node owner.>>>>>> We > apologize for this inconvenience but IRLP users have to understand the>>> > substantial difference in nature both operationally and politically > between>>> Hamvoip and IRLP. You do have a choice! We have in the past > expressed the>>> considerable advantages in using Hamvoip Allstar vs. IRLP > which are too>>> numerous to list here.>>> > _______________________________________________>>> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing > list>>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp>>>>>> > _______________________________________________>>> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing > list>>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp>>>>> > _______________________________________________>> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing > list>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>> > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp> > _______________________________________________> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing > list> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp>> > _______________________________________________> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing > list> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp_______________________________________________ARM-allstar-irlp > mailing > listARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.orghttp://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > From paulkn2r at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 14:56:10 2020 From: paulkn2r at gmail.com (Paul - KN2R) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 14:56:10 -0500 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02d601d5cb14$abc6bad0$03543070$@com> AllStar allows literally millions of DTMF decoded function capabilities. By default only a small amount are provided, you are only restricted by your imagination for the rest. Paul / KN2R -----Original Message----- From: ARM-allstar-irlp [mailto:arm-allstar-irlp-bounces at hamvoip.org] On Behalf Of "Justin Reed via ARM-allstar-irlp" Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 1:53 PM To: Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp Cc: Justin Reed Subject: Re: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users On 1/13/2020 10:17 PM, "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: > I totally agree with Dave in fact I was thinking this - if anyone can > come up with a reason why IRLP is better than Allstar please let me know. Well, just to play devils advocate, there is precisely one reason I can think of. IRLP lets you custom define literally any sequence of DTMF that when decoded, will run a defined script. At one time I had many IRLP-based repeaters, changed to Hamvoip, but I kept one IRLP node online just to act as a DTMF to email/SMS paging terminal. I'm not even using it for linking. I have my RF-linked sites which have alarms like high building temperature and intrusion alarms - programmed to send those alarms out as DTMF messages. IRLP decodes them and fires out an SMS to my phone from a special account I have set with notifications always on. It works like a champ. With Allstar, something kinda sorta like this could be done but it would have to follow the dial plan rather than being literally any sequence. That's it. There's your one reason and it has nothing to do with linking, really. ;) Luckily this functionality will keep working well after David Cameron has a hissy fit and removes my keys, because the custom decode stuff has nothing to do with negotiating connections. Justin _______________________________________________ ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp From randy at neals.ca Tue Jan 14 15:21:57 2020 From: randy at neals.ca (Randy Neals) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 12:21:57 -0800 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: <20200114115953.C299BA00147@newplesk.inttek.net> References: <20200114115953.C299BA00147@newplesk.inttek.net> Message-ID: Biggest threat to IRLP?s future maybe? On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 3:59 AM "wl7lp via ARM-allstar-irlp" < arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > What I'd like to know is why Hamvoip IRLP node was singled out and all > the ASL irlp bridged nodes are still up and running connected to IRLP > reflectors? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: Tony via ARM-allstar-irlp < > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> Date: 1/13/20 9:47 PM (GMT-09:00) To: > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org Cc: Tony Subject: Re: > [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users Very well-put, > David.On 1/13/20 6:10 PM, "David McGough via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:> > Fred,>> HamVoIP and AllStar are not dependent on any external servers. You > can> setup completely private networks, even build your own network from> > scratch, if you wanted to. Many have built and run their own networks,> > including me.>> In their default setups, both IRLP and AllStar depend on > central servers> to provide a frequently updated mapping of IP addresses to > nodes. This is> needed only if IP addresses change, unneeded if all the > addresses are> static. The IRLP servers also provide updated public PGP > keyrings.>> AllStar has numerous advantages over IRLP. Some are: true > full-duplex> communications, each node is a full "reflector," allowing > many> simultaneous in-bound and out-bound connections, many more CODECs> > available, fully integrated repeater control is built-in, flexible> > software-based bridging is easily setup, if desired, only one single UDP> > port is needed, IAX2 provides packet jitter-buffering, automatically> > compensating for network latency changes, there are MANY sources of> > compatible hardware, you're not locked into a single source and the list> > goes on and on.>> Honestly, I'm not aware of any area where IRLP has > superiority, at this> point?? I know some persons have commented about > IRLP's PGP node> authentication for security. I guess it should be pointed > out that IRLP's> version of PGP uses RSA-512 keys, which were considered > obsolete 20 years> ago. These keys were first cracked in 1999! Today, > RSA-512 private keys> can be revealed within a few hours by any hacker who > might happen to take> interest.>> Doug's comments were spot-on. There was > no slander. There is a huge> learning curve with AllStar, I won't deny > that. It's truly ashame that the> IRLP world seems to want to maintain an > isolationist policy all the way to> the end. The pages of history are > turning.>>> 73, David K4FXC>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2020, "w5mgm--- via > ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:>>> Doug,> There's a lot of reasons that some > of use IRLP. Perfect example> is right now the way the Allstar system is > set up, it depends on> Allstar's servers for my node to maintain a > connection to other nodes.> With IRLP, once my node is connected to another > node or reflector,> IRLP's servers are not needed to keep the connection > alive. So if> David Cameron shut down shop tomorrow, all of our IRLP > systems would> still work, there just wouldn't be any new nodes added to > the network.> I don't believe we can say the same if Allstar's servers were > to all> be shutdown. That being said, why you would put down and slander > IRLP> is beyond me.>> Fred> W5MGM>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM, Doug > Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp wrote:>>>> > ???Larry,>>>> Sorry to hear you are down with the flu. I wish you a > speedy recovery.>>>> As far as IRLP is concerned I really think its days > are numbered. It is>> very insecure, so much less feature enhanced, and > generally outdated>> compared to Hamvoip Allstar. Why anyone would run IRLP > with Hamvoip being>> available is beyond me. As you know I ran IRLP for > about a year about 8>> years ago now. That may have been how we met. Anyhow > I quickly realized>> that is was not for me mainly because of the politics > and so called rules>> not to mention the vast superiority of Allstar. I > would encourage you to>> get people that you know on IRLP over on Allstar. > It is easy to do and for>> those that have a real IRLP Pi system using a Pi > 2 or newer it would cost>> less than $60 to do it. If anyone needs help > referring them to hamvoip.org>> and my email. For those Hamvoip users > that have added IRLP most reflectors>> have Allstar inputs so there is no > reason to connect using IRLP. This>> latest tactic by Cameron and his > henchmen will only bring more people to>> Allstar.>>>>>> *73 Doug*>>>> > *WA3DSP*>>>> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio < > http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*>>>>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 3:12 PM > "Larry via ARM-allstar-irlp" <>>> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> > wrote:>>>>>> Good afternoon Doug, hope you and yours had a great holiday. I > think IRLP>>> admin blocked my node (8277). I've had this node from the > beginning at>>> lesst>>> 15-20 years. Software & hardware brought from > IRLP. Don't have any>>> receipts.>>> Who keeps receipts after 5 years, > unless it's taxes Hi. I think I saw>>> something a few years back about > hams downloading IRLP with out buying to>>> get a node #. I'll stay tune, > only use IRLP to chat with friends on 9613.>>> Oh>>> yea he knows about > Allstar, can't teach a old DOG new tricks.>>>>>> Take care trying to get > over this flu!>>> Slowly trying to get my e-mails over to > contact at n3vsi.com>>> So far I'm getting the ARM- allstar Digest at that > e-mail>>>>>> Contact me>>> contact at n3vsi.com>>> You have my home #>>> > Later>>> Larry N3vsi>>>>>> -----Original Message----->>> From: "Doug > Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp">>> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:02>>> > To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> Cc: Doug Crompton>>> Subject: > [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users>>>>>> It has > come to our attention that some of the Hamvoip IRLP module users>>> can no > longer connect to IRLP nodes or reflectors. This is because the>>> IRLP > public keys for these nodes have been pulled by the IRLP management.>>> We > have learned that some Hamvoip users may have fraudulently acquired>>> keys > and otherwise frustrated the IRLP management. We warned people in our>>> > howto that the IRLP system is a closely controlled system and keys are>>> > sold with the IRLP hardware. Only users who actually buy hardware or > keys>>> from IRLP are authorized into the system. The Hamvoip IRLP gateway > was>>> intended to allow real and authorized IRLP users who had hardware > to>>> integrate it into one Pi system with Hamvoip code. We also warned > users of>>> Hamvoip IRLP that they were to come to us first (this list) NOT > the IRLP>>> forums for help and apparently that has not always been the > case.>>>>>> We are currently working with the IRLP management, trying to > resolve their>>> concerns. If your Hamvoip IRLP node has stopped working, > it is most likely>>> because your key or the key of the node you are trying > to connect to has>>> been removed. Many IRLP users and reflectors also > have connectivity to>>> AllStar. If you're trying to connect to a system > that already provides a>>> bridge to AllStar, don't connect via IRLP, use > AllStar!>>>>>> If you have an IRLP system that you bought and you own the > keys for and>>> you converted it to Hamvoip and retired the original IRLP > hardware, then>>> you should in our opinion be entitled to retain your key > and use IRLP.>>> But that hardware is not to be sold to someone else to > again obtain>>> another key fraudulently.. These are not our rules. Hamvoip > code and>>> operation is totally free and based on donations, IRLP is not. > They make>>> money to support their operational expenses based on the sale > of hardware.>>> If they want to sell keys minus hardware it is up to them, > but understand>>> we have no control over that. If you have a fully legal > IRLP node that you>>> purchased and own the key for and it is not working > then you should>>> contact Dave Cameron directly with a plea to reinstate > your key. Before>>> contacting Dave Cameron, it would be best to locate > proof, if possible,>>> that you are the legitimate IRLP node owner.>>>>>> > We apologize for this inconvenience but IRLP users have to understand > the>>> substantial difference in nature both operationally and politically > between>>> Hamvoip and IRLP. You do have a choice! We have in the past > expressed the>>> considerable advantages in using Hamvoip Allstar vs. IRLP > which are too>>> numerous to list here.>>> > _______________________________________________>>> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing > list>>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp>>>>>> > _______________________________________________>>> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing > list>>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp>>>>> > _______________________________________________>> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing > list>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>> > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp> > _______________________________________________> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing > list> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp>> > _______________________________________________> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing > list> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp_______________________________________________ARM-allstar-irlp > mailing listARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.orghttp:// > lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > -- Sent from mobile. From kc5czx at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 16:10:27 2020 From: kc5czx at gmail.com (Darrell Wilkinson) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 15:10:27 -0600 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: <20200114115953.C299BA00147@newplesk.inttek.net> Message-ID: One of my IRLP nodes has been taken away that was gifted to me by another ham, I surmise they didn't get my other one because it wasn't online at the time. Irlp however is as far as it will ever go development wise from the day it came out and even then it was already out of date. I suspect by the end of this round of node# removals IRLP will not have very many hams using it anymore. Who could blame them, like many of you I to am done with the B.S. coming from IRLP and will not even try to get my node# re-instated. it's just not worth it . I guess I will just keep the V3 board I have and add it to the collection of what was. For those of you who spent alot of $$$ for your node's Sorry, I about bet IRLP won't be around anymore within a year or two. Do yourself a favor trash your IRLP and move on to ALLSTAR. I say let's send a clear message to Dave Camron by not buying any of his JUNK(as one person wrote) Let's face it sooner or later IRLP will be dead anyway so why keep beating a dead horse On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 2:27 PM "Randy Neals via ARM-allstar-irlp" < arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > Biggest threat to IRLP?s future maybe? > > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 3:59 AM "wl7lp via ARM-allstar-irlp" < > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > > > What I'd like to know is why Hamvoip IRLP node was singled out and all > > the ASL irlp bridged nodes are still up and running connected to IRLP > > reflectors? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > -------- Original message --------From: Tony via ARM-allstar-irlp < > > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> Date: 1/13/20 9:47 PM (GMT-09:00) To: > > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org Cc: Tony Subject: Re: > > [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users Very > well-put, > > David.On 1/13/20 6:10 PM, "David McGough via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:> > > Fred,>> HamVoIP and AllStar are not dependent on any external servers. > You > > can> setup completely private networks, even build your own network from> > > scratch, if you wanted to. Many have built and run their own networks,> > > including me.>> In their default setups, both IRLP and AllStar depend on > > central servers> to provide a frequently updated mapping of IP addresses > to > > nodes. This is> needed only if IP addresses change, unneeded if all the > > addresses are> static. The IRLP servers also provide updated public PGP > > keyrings.>> AllStar has numerous advantages over IRLP. Some are: true > > full-duplex> communications, each node is a full "reflector," allowing > > many> simultaneous in-bound and out-bound connections, many more CODECs> > > available, fully integrated repeater control is built-in, flexible> > > software-based bridging is easily setup, if desired, only one single UDP> > > port is needed, IAX2 provides packet jitter-buffering, automatically> > > compensating for network latency changes, there are MANY sources of> > > compatible hardware, you're not locked into a single source and the list> > > goes on and on.>> Honestly, I'm not aware of any area where IRLP has > > superiority, at this> point?? I know some persons have commented about > > IRLP's PGP node> authentication for security. I guess it should be > pointed > > out that IRLP's> version of PGP uses RSA-512 keys, which were considered > > obsolete 20 years> ago. These keys were first cracked in 1999! Today, > > RSA-512 private keys> can be revealed within a few hours by any hacker > who > > might happen to take> interest.>> Doug's comments were spot-on. There was > > no slander. There is a huge> learning curve with AllStar, I won't deny > > that. It's truly ashame that the> IRLP world seems to want to maintain an > > isolationist policy all the way to> the end. The pages of history are > > turning.>>> 73, David K4FXC>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2020, "w5mgm--- via > > ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:>>> Doug,> There's a lot of reasons that > some > > of use IRLP. Perfect example> is right now the way the Allstar system is > > set up, it depends on> Allstar's servers for my node to maintain a > > connection to other nodes.> With IRLP, once my node is connected to > another > > node or reflector,> IRLP's servers are not needed to keep the connection > > alive. So if> David Cameron shut down shop tomorrow, all of our IRLP > > systems would> still work, there just wouldn't be any new nodes added to > > the network.> I don't believe we can say the same if Allstar's servers > were > > to all> be shutdown. That being said, why you would put down and > slander > > IRLP> is beyond me.>> Fred> W5MGM>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM, Doug > > Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp wrote:>>>> > > ???Larry,>>>> Sorry to hear you are down with the flu. I wish you a > > speedy recovery.>>>> As far as IRLP is concerned I really think its days > > are numbered. It is>> very insecure, so much less feature enhanced, and > > generally outdated>> compared to Hamvoip Allstar. Why anyone would run > IRLP > > with Hamvoip being>> available is beyond me. As you know I ran IRLP for > > about a year about 8>> years ago now. That may have been how we met. > Anyhow > > I quickly realized>> that is was not for me mainly because of the > politics > > and so called rules>> not to mention the vast superiority of Allstar. I > > would encourage you to>> get people that you know on IRLP over on > Allstar. > > It is easy to do and for>> those that have a real IRLP Pi system using a > Pi > > 2 or newer it would cost>> less than $60 to do it. If anyone needs help > > referring them to hamvoip.org>> and my email. For those Hamvoip users > > that have added IRLP most reflectors>> have Allstar inputs so there is no > > reason to connect using IRLP. This>> latest tactic by Cameron and his > > henchmen will only bring more people to>> Allstar.>>>>>> *73 Doug*>>>> > > *WA3DSP*>>>> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio < > > http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*>>>>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 3:12 PM > > "Larry via ARM-allstar-irlp" <>>> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> > > wrote:>>>>>> Good afternoon Doug, hope you and yours had a great > holiday. I > > think IRLP>>> admin blocked my node (8277). I've had this node from the > > beginning at>>> lesst>>> 15-20 years. Software & hardware brought from > > IRLP. Don't have any>>> receipts.>>> Who keeps receipts after 5 years, > > unless it's taxes Hi. I think I saw>>> something a few years back about > > hams downloading IRLP with out buying to>>> get a node #. I'll stay tune, > > only use IRLP to chat with friends on 9613.>>> Oh>>> yea he knows about > > Allstar, can't teach a old DOG new tricks.>>>>>> Take care trying to get > > over this flu!>>> Slowly trying to get my e-mails over to > > contact at n3vsi.com>>> So far I'm getting the ARM- allstar Digest at that > > e-mail>>>>>> Contact me>>> contact at n3vsi.com>>> You have my home #>>> > > Later>>> Larry N3vsi>>>>>> -----Original Message----->>> From: "Doug > > Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp">>> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 > 1:02>>> > > To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> Cc: Doug Crompton>>> Subject: > > [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users>>>>>> It has > > come to our attention that some of the Hamvoip IRLP module users>>> can > no > > longer connect to IRLP nodes or reflectors. This is because the>>> IRLP > > public keys for these nodes have been pulled by the IRLP management.>>> > We > > have learned that some Hamvoip users may have fraudulently acquired>>> > keys > > and otherwise frustrated the IRLP management. We warned people in our>>> > > howto that the IRLP system is a closely controlled system and keys are>>> > > sold with the IRLP hardware. Only users who actually buy hardware or > > keys>>> from IRLP are authorized into the system. The Hamvoip IRLP > gateway > > was>>> intended to allow real and authorized IRLP users who had hardware > > to>>> integrate it into one Pi system with Hamvoip code. We also warned > > users of>>> Hamvoip IRLP that they were to come to us first (this list) > NOT > > the IRLP>>> forums for help and apparently that has not always been the > > case.>>>>>> We are currently working with the IRLP management, trying to > > resolve their>>> concerns. If your Hamvoip IRLP node has stopped working, > > it is most likely>>> because your key or the key of the node you are > trying > > to connect to has>>> been removed. Many IRLP users and reflectors also > > have connectivity to>>> AllStar. If you're trying to connect to a system > > that already provides a>>> bridge to AllStar, don't connect via IRLP, use > > AllStar!>>>>>> If you have an IRLP system that you bought and you own the > > keys for and>>> you converted it to Hamvoip and retired the original IRLP > > hardware, then>>> you should in our opinion be entitled to retain your > key > > and use IRLP.>>> But that hardware is not to be sold to someone else to > > again obtain>>> another key fraudulently.. These are not our rules. > Hamvoip > > code and>>> operation is totally free and based on donations, IRLP is > not. > > They make>>> money to support their operational expenses based on the > sale > > of hardware.>>> If they want to sell keys minus hardware it is up to > them, > > but understand>>> we have no control over that. If you have a fully legal > > IRLP node that you>>> purchased and own the key for and it is not working > > then you should>>> contact Dave Cameron directly with a plea to reinstate > > your key. Before>>> contacting Dave Cameron, it would be best to locate > > proof, if possible,>>> that you are the legitimate IRLP node owner.>>>>>> > > We apologize for this inconvenience but IRLP users have to understand > > the>>> substantial difference in nature both operationally and > politically > > between>>> Hamvoip and IRLP. You do have a choice! We have in the past > > expressed the>>> considerable advantages in using Hamvoip Allstar vs. > IRLP > > which are too>>> numerous to list here.>>> > > _______________________________________________>>> ARM-allstar-irlp > mailing > > list>>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp>>>>>> > > _______________________________________________>>> ARM-allstar-irlp > mailing > > list>>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp>>>>> > > _______________________________________________>> ARM-allstar-irlp > mailing > > list>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>> > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp> > > _______________________________________________> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing > > list> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp>> > > _______________________________________________> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing > > list> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> > > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp_______________________________________________ARM-allstar-irlp > > mailing listARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.orghttp:// > > lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > > _______________________________________________ > > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > > > -- > Sent from mobile. > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > From wa3dsp at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 16:55:42 2020 From: wa3dsp at gmail.com (Doug Crompton) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 16:55:42 -0500 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: <20200114115953.C299BA00147@newplesk.inttek.net> Message-ID: Darrell, I think many will do what you are doing and I really don't think the IRLP admin really cares. We need to educate and get as many IRLP users as we can over to Hamvoip. As for the hardware left hanging it is nothing different than any other product we leave behind. Times change and things get better. Move on! *73 Doug* *WA3DSP* *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:13 PM "Darrell Wilkinson via ARM-allstar-irlp" < arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > One of my IRLP nodes has been taken away that was gifted to me by another > ham, I surmise they didn't get my other one because it wasn't online at the > time. Irlp however is as far as it will ever go development wise from the > day it came out and even then it was already out of date. I suspect by the > end of this round of node# removals IRLP will not have very many hams using > it anymore. Who could blame them, like many of you I to am done with the > B.S. coming from IRLP and will not even try to get my node# re-instated. > it's just not worth it . I guess I will just keep the V3 board I have and > add it to the collection of what was. For those of you who spent alot of > $$$ for your node's Sorry, I about bet IRLP won't be around anymore within > a year or two. Do yourself a favor trash your IRLP and move on to ALLSTAR. > I say let's send a clear message to Dave Camron by not buying any of his > JUNK(as one person wrote) Let's face it sooner or later IRLP will be dead > anyway so why keep beating a dead horse > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 2:27 PM "Randy Neals via ARM-allstar-irlp" < > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > > > Biggest threat to IRLP?s future maybe? > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 3:59 AM "wl7lp via ARM-allstar-irlp" < > > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > > > > > What I'd like to know is why Hamvoip IRLP node was singled out and all > > > the ASL irlp bridged nodes are still up and running connected to IRLP > > > reflectors? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message --------From: Tony via ARM-allstar-irlp < > > > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> Date: 1/13/20 9:47 PM (GMT-09:00) To: > > > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org Cc: Tony Subject: > Re: > > > [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users Very > > well-put, > > > David.On 1/13/20 6:10 PM, "David McGough via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:> > > > Fred,>> HamVoIP and AllStar are not dependent on any external servers. > > You > > > can> setup completely private networks, even build your own network > from> > > > scratch, if you wanted to. Many have built and run their own networks,> > > > including me.>> In their default setups, both IRLP and AllStar depend > on > > > central servers> to provide a frequently updated mapping of IP > addresses > > to > > > nodes. This is> needed only if IP addresses change, unneeded if all the > > > addresses are> static. The IRLP servers also provide updated public > PGP > > > keyrings.>> AllStar has numerous advantages over IRLP. Some are: true > > > full-duplex> communications, each node is a full "reflector," allowing > > > many> simultaneous in-bound and out-bound connections, many more > CODECs> > > > available, fully integrated repeater control is built-in, flexible> > > > software-based bridging is easily setup, if desired, only one single > UDP> > > > port is needed, IAX2 provides packet jitter-buffering, automatically> > > > compensating for network latency changes, there are MANY sources of> > > > compatible hardware, you're not locked into a single source and the > list> > > > goes on and on.>> Honestly, I'm not aware of any area where IRLP has > > > superiority, at this> point?? I know some persons have commented about > > > IRLP's PGP node> authentication for security. I guess it should be > > pointed > > > out that IRLP's> version of PGP uses RSA-512 keys, which were > considered > > > obsolete 20 years> ago. These keys were first cracked in 1999! Today, > > > RSA-512 private keys> can be revealed within a few hours by any hacker > > who > > > might happen to take> interest.>> Doug's comments were spot-on. There > was > > > no slander. There is a huge> learning curve with AllStar, I won't deny > > > that. It's truly ashame that the> IRLP world seems to want to maintain > an > > > isolationist policy all the way to> the end. The pages of history are > > > turning.>>> 73, David K4FXC>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2020, "w5mgm--- via > > > ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:>>> Doug,> There's a lot of reasons that > > some > > > of use IRLP. Perfect example> is right now the way the Allstar system > is > > > set up, it depends on> Allstar's servers for my node to maintain a > > > connection to other nodes.> With IRLP, once my node is connected to > > another > > > node or reflector,> IRLP's servers are not needed to keep the > connection > > > alive. So if> David Cameron shut down shop tomorrow, all of our IRLP > > > systems would> still work, there just wouldn't be any new nodes added > to > > > the network.> I don't believe we can say the same if Allstar's servers > > were > > > to all> be shutdown. That being said, why you would put down and > > slander > > > IRLP> is beyond me.>> Fred> W5MGM>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM, Doug > > > Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp > wrote:>>>> > > > ???Larry,>>>> Sorry to hear you are down with the flu. I wish you a > > > speedy recovery.>>>> As far as IRLP is concerned I really think its > days > > > are numbered. It is>> very insecure, so much less feature enhanced, and > > > generally outdated>> compared to Hamvoip Allstar. Why anyone would run > > IRLP > > > with Hamvoip being>> available is beyond me. As you know I ran IRLP for > > > about a year about 8>> years ago now. That may have been how we met. > > Anyhow > > > I quickly realized>> that is was not for me mainly because of the > > politics > > > and so called rules>> not to mention the vast superiority of Allstar. I > > > would encourage you to>> get people that you know on IRLP over on > > Allstar. > > > It is easy to do and for>> those that have a real IRLP Pi system using > a > > Pi > > > 2 or newer it would cost>> less than $60 to do it. If anyone needs help > > > referring them to hamvoip.org>> and my email. For those Hamvoip users > > > that have added IRLP most reflectors>> have Allstar inputs so there is > no > > > reason to connect using IRLP. This>> latest tactic by Cameron and his > > > henchmen will only bring more people to>> Allstar.>>>>>> *73 Doug*>>>> > > > *WA3DSP*>>>> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio < > > > http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*>>>>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 3:12 > PM > > > "Larry via ARM-allstar-irlp" <>>> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> > > > wrote:>>>>>> Good afternoon Doug, hope you and yours had a great > > holiday. I > > > think IRLP>>> admin blocked my node (8277). I've had this node from the > > > beginning at>>> lesst>>> 15-20 years. Software & hardware brought from > > > IRLP. Don't have any>>> receipts.>>> Who keeps receipts after 5 years, > > > unless it's taxes Hi. I think I saw>>> something a few years back about > > > hams downloading IRLP with out buying to>>> get a node #. I'll stay > tune, > > > only use IRLP to chat with friends on 9613.>>> Oh>>> yea he knows about > > > Allstar, can't teach a old DOG new tricks.>>>>>> Take care trying to > get > > > over this flu!>>> Slowly trying to get my e-mails over to > > > contact at n3vsi.com>>> So far I'm getting the ARM- allstar Digest at > that > > > e-mail>>>>>> Contact me>>> contact at n3vsi.com>>> You have my home #>>> > > > Later>>> Larry N3vsi>>>>>> -----Original Message----->>> From: "Doug > > > Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp">>> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 > > 1:02>>> > > > To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> Cc: Doug Crompton>>> Subject: > > > [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users>>>>>> It > has > > > come to our attention that some of the Hamvoip IRLP module users>>> can > > no > > > longer connect to IRLP nodes or reflectors. This is because the>>> IRLP > > > public keys for these nodes have been pulled by the IRLP management.>>> > > We > > > have learned that some Hamvoip users may have fraudulently acquired>>> > > keys > > > and otherwise frustrated the IRLP management. We warned people in > our>>> > > > howto that the IRLP system is a closely controlled system and keys > are>>> > > > sold with the IRLP hardware. Only users who actually buy hardware or > > > keys>>> from IRLP are authorized into the system. The Hamvoip IRLP > > gateway > > > was>>> intended to allow real and authorized IRLP users who had > hardware > > > to>>> integrate it into one Pi system with Hamvoip code. We also warned > > > users of>>> Hamvoip IRLP that they were to come to us first (this list) > > NOT > > > the IRLP>>> forums for help and apparently that has not always been the > > > case.>>>>>> We are currently working with the IRLP management, trying > to > > > resolve their>>> concerns. If your Hamvoip IRLP node has stopped > working, > > > it is most likely>>> because your key or the key of the node you are > > trying > > > to connect to has>>> been removed. Many IRLP users and reflectors also > > > have connectivity to>>> AllStar. If you're trying to connect to a > system > > > that already provides a>>> bridge to AllStar, don't connect via IRLP, > use > > > AllStar!>>>>>> If you have an IRLP system that you bought and you own > the > > > keys for and>>> you converted it to Hamvoip and retired the original > IRLP > > > hardware, then>>> you should in our opinion be entitled to retain your > > key > > > and use IRLP.>>> But that hardware is not to be sold to someone else to > > > again obtain>>> another key fraudulently.. These are not our rules. > > Hamvoip > > > code and>>> operation is totally free and based on donations, IRLP is > > not. > > > They make>>> money to support their operational expenses based on the > > sale > > > of hardware.>>> If they want to sell keys minus hardware it is up to > > them, > > > but understand>>> we have no control over that. If you have a fully > legal > > > IRLP node that you>>> purchased and own the key for and it is not > working > > > then you should>>> contact Dave Cameron directly with a plea to > reinstate > > > your key. Before>>> contacting Dave Cameron, it would be best to locate > > > proof, if possible,>>> that you are the legitimate IRLP node > owner.>>>>>> > > > We apologize for this inconvenience but IRLP users have to understand > > > the>>> substantial difference in nature both operationally and > > politically > > > between>>> Hamvoip and IRLP. You do have a choice! We have in the past > > > expressed the>>> considerable advantages in using Hamvoip Allstar vs. > > IRLP > > > which are too>>> numerous to list here.>>> > > > _______________________________________________>>> ARM-allstar-irlp > > mailing > > > list>>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> > > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > >>>>>> > > > _______________________________________________>>> ARM-allstar-irlp > > mailing > > > list>>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> > > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > >>>>> > > > _______________________________________________>> ARM-allstar-irlp > > mailing > > > list>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>> > > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp> > > > _______________________________________________> ARM-allstar-irlp > mailing > > > list> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> > > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp>> > > > _______________________________________________> ARM-allstar-irlp > mailing > > > list> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> > > > > > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp_______________________________________________ARM-allstar-irlp > > > mailing listARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.orghttp:// > > > lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > > > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > > > > > -- > > Sent from mobile. > > _______________________________________________ > > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > > > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > From srogers at epbfi.com Tue Jan 14 18:19:51 2020 From: srogers at epbfi.com (srogers) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 18:19:51 -0500 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] IRLP code removal Message-ID: Like others I am done with IRLP.? What is the best way to remove the installed IRLP code from hamvoip?ThanksSteveW4YISent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone From jed at jedbarton.com Wed Jan 15 00:13:32 2020 From: jed at jedbarton.com (Jed Barton) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 00:13:32 -0500 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: <20200114115953.C299BA00147@newplesk.inttek.net> Message-ID: Here's what it comes down to, it's Dave's kingdom on IRLP. I'm so happy to be part of allstar. I should have done it years ago. Let the fun begin. I'm having a blast. On 1/14/20, "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: > Darrell, > > I think many will do what you are doing and I really don't think the IRLP > admin really cares. We need to educate and get as many IRLP users as we can > over to Hamvoip. As for the hardware left hanging it is nothing different > than any other product we leave behind. Times change and things get better. > Move on! > > > *73 Doug* > > *WA3DSP* > > *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:13 PM "Darrell Wilkinson via ARM-allstar-irlp" < > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > >> One of my IRLP nodes has been taken away that was gifted to me by another >> ham, I surmise they didn't get my other one because it wasn't online at >> the >> time. Irlp however is as far as it will ever go development wise from the >> day it came out and even then it was already out of date. I suspect by >> the >> end of this round of node# removals IRLP will not have very many hams >> using >> it anymore. Who could blame them, like many of you I to am done with the >> B.S. coming from IRLP and will not even try to get my node# re-instated. >> it's just not worth it . I guess I will just keep the V3 board I have and >> add it to the collection of what was. For those of you who spent alot of >> $$$ for your node's Sorry, I about bet IRLP won't be around anymore within >> a year or two. Do yourself a favor trash your IRLP and move on to ALLSTAR. >> I say let's send a clear message to Dave Camron by not buying any of his >> JUNK(as one person wrote) Let's face it sooner or later IRLP will be dead >> anyway so why keep beating a dead horse >> >> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 2:27 PM "Randy Neals via ARM-allstar-irlp" < >> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: >> >> > Biggest threat to IRLP?s future maybe? >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 3:59 AM "wl7lp via ARM-allstar-irlp" < >> > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: >> > >> > > What I'd like to know is why Hamvoip IRLP node was singled out and >> > > all >> > > the ASL irlp bridged nodes are still up and running connected to IRLP >> > > reflectors? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> > > -------- Original message --------From: Tony via ARM-allstar-irlp < >> > > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> Date: 1/13/20 9:47 PM (GMT-09:00) To: >> > > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org Cc: Tony Subject: >> Re: >> > > [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users Very >> > well-put, >> > > David.On 1/13/20 6:10 PM, "David McGough via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:> >> > > Fred,>> HamVoIP and AllStar are not dependent on any external servers. >> > You >> > > can> setup completely private networks, even build your own network >> from> >> > > scratch, if you wanted to. Many have built and run their own >> > > networks,> >> > > including me.>> In their default setups, both IRLP and AllStar depend >> on >> > > central servers> to provide a frequently updated mapping of IP >> addresses >> > to >> > > nodes. This is> needed only if IP addresses change, unneeded if all >> > > the >> > > addresses are> static. The IRLP servers also provide updated public >> PGP >> > > keyrings.>> AllStar has numerous advantages over IRLP. Some are: true >> > > full-duplex> communications, each node is a full "reflector," allowing >> > > many> simultaneous in-bound and out-bound connections, many more >> CODECs> >> > > available, fully integrated repeater control is built-in, flexible> >> > > software-based bridging is easily setup, if desired, only one single >> UDP> >> > > port is needed, IAX2 provides packet jitter-buffering, automatically> >> > > compensating for network latency changes, there are MANY sources of> >> > > compatible hardware, you're not locked into a single source and the >> list> >> > > goes on and on.>> Honestly, I'm not aware of any area where IRLP has >> > > superiority, at this> point?? I know some persons have commented about >> > > IRLP's PGP node> authentication for security. I guess it should be >> > pointed >> > > out that IRLP's> version of PGP uses RSA-512 keys, which were >> considered >> > > obsolete 20 years> ago. These keys were first cracked in 1999! Today, >> > > RSA-512 private keys> can be revealed within a few hours by any hacker >> > who >> > > might happen to take> interest.>> Doug's comments were spot-on. There >> was >> > > no slander. There is a huge> learning curve with AllStar, I won't >> > > deny >> > > that. It's truly ashame that the> IRLP world seems to want to maintain >> an >> > > isolationist policy all the way to> the end. The pages of history are >> > > turning.>>> 73, David K4FXC>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2020, "w5mgm--- via >> > > ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:>>> Doug,> There's a lot of reasons that >> > some >> > > of use IRLP. Perfect example> is right now the way the Allstar system >> is >> > > set up, it depends on> Allstar's servers for my node to maintain a >> > > connection to other nodes.> With IRLP, once my node is connected to >> > another >> > > node or reflector,> IRLP's servers are not needed to keep the >> connection >> > > alive. So if> David Cameron shut down shop tomorrow, all of our IRLP >> > > systems would> still work, there just wouldn't be any new nodes added >> to >> > > the network.> I don't believe we can say the same if Allstar's servers >> > were >> > > to all> be shutdown. That being said, why you would put down and >> > slander >> > > IRLP> is beyond me.>> Fred> W5MGM>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM, >> > > Doug >> > > Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp >> wrote:>>>> >> > > ???Larry,>>>> Sorry to hear you are down with the flu. I wish you a >> > > speedy recovery.>>>> As far as IRLP is concerned I really think its >> days >> > > are numbered. It is>> very insecure, so much less feature enhanced, >> > > and >> > > generally outdated>> compared to Hamvoip Allstar. Why anyone would run >> > IRLP >> > > with Hamvoip being>> available is beyond me. As you know I ran IRLP >> > > for >> > > about a year about 8>> years ago now. That may have been how we met. >> > Anyhow >> > > I quickly realized>> that is was not for me mainly because of the >> > politics >> > > and so called rules>> not to mention the vast superiority of Allstar. >> > > I >> > > would encourage you to>> get people that you know on IRLP over on >> > Allstar. >> > > It is easy to do and for>> those that have a real IRLP Pi system using >> a >> > Pi >> > > 2 or newer it would cost>> less than $60 to do it. If anyone needs >> > > help >> > > referring them to hamvoip.org>> and my email. For those Hamvoip users >> > > that have added IRLP most reflectors>> have Allstar inputs so there is >> no >> > > reason to connect using IRLP. This>> latest tactic by Cameron and his >> > > henchmen will only bring more people to>> Allstar.>>>>>> *73 Doug*>>>> >> > > *WA3DSP*>>>> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio < >> > > http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*>>>>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 3:12 >> PM >> > > "Larry via ARM-allstar-irlp" <>>> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> >> > > wrote:>>>>>> Good afternoon Doug, hope you and yours had a great >> > holiday. I >> > > think IRLP>>> admin blocked my node (8277). I've had this node from >> > > the >> > > beginning at>>> lesst>>> 15-20 years. Software & hardware brought from >> > > IRLP. Don't have any>>> receipts.>>> Who keeps receipts after 5 years, >> > > unless it's taxes Hi. I think I saw>>> something a few years back >> > > about >> > > hams downloading IRLP with out buying to>>> get a node #. I'll stay >> tune, >> > > only use IRLP to chat with friends on 9613.>>> Oh>>> yea he knows >> > > about >> > > Allstar, can't teach a old DOG new tricks.>>>>>> Take care trying to >> get >> > > over this flu!>>> Slowly trying to get my e-mails over to >> > > contact at n3vsi.com>>> So far I'm getting the ARM- allstar Digest at >> that >> > > e-mail>>>>>> Contact me>>> contact at n3vsi.com>>> You have my home #>>> >> > > Later>>> Larry N3vsi>>>>>> -----Original Message----->>> From: "Doug >> > > Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp">>> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 >> > 1:02>>> >> > > To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> Cc: Doug Crompton>>> Subject: >> > > [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users>>>>>> It >> has >> > > come to our attention that some of the Hamvoip IRLP module users>>> >> > > can >> > no >> > > longer connect to IRLP nodes or reflectors. This is because the>>> >> > > IRLP >> > > public keys for these nodes have been pulled by the IRLP >> > > management.>>> >> > We >> > > have learned that some Hamvoip users may have fraudulently acquired>>> >> > keys >> > > and otherwise frustrated the IRLP management. We warned people in >> our>>> >> > > howto that the IRLP system is a closely controlled system and keys >> are>>> >> > > sold with the IRLP hardware. Only users who actually buy hardware or >> > > keys>>> from IRLP are authorized into the system. The Hamvoip IRLP >> > gateway >> > > was>>> intended to allow real and authorized IRLP users who had >> hardware >> > > to>>> integrate it into one Pi system with Hamvoip code. We also >> > > warned >> > > users of>>> Hamvoip IRLP that they were to come to us first (this >> > > list) >> > NOT >> > > the IRLP>>> forums for help and apparently that has not always been >> > > the >> > > case.>>>>>> We are currently working with the IRLP management, trying >> to >> > > resolve their>>> concerns. If your Hamvoip IRLP node has stopped >> working, >> > > it is most likely>>> because your key or the key of the node you are >> > trying >> > > to connect to has>>> been removed. Many IRLP users and reflectors >> > > also >> > > have connectivity to>>> AllStar. If you're trying to connect to a >> system >> > > that already provides a>>> bridge to AllStar, don't connect via IRLP, >> use >> > > AllStar!>>>>>> If you have an IRLP system that you bought and you own >> the >> > > keys for and>>> you converted it to Hamvoip and retired the original >> IRLP >> > > hardware, then>>> you should in our opinion be entitled to retain your >> > key >> > > and use IRLP.>>> But that hardware is not to be sold to someone else >> > > to >> > > again obtain>>> another key fraudulently.. These are not our rules. >> > Hamvoip >> > > code and>>> operation is totally free and based on donations, IRLP is >> > not. >> > > They make>>> money to support their operational expenses based on the >> > sale >> > > of hardware.>>> If they want to sell keys minus hardware it is up to >> > them, >> > > but understand>>> we have no control over that. If you have a fully >> legal >> > > IRLP node that you>>> purchased and own the key for and it is not >> working >> > > then you should>>> contact Dave Cameron directly with a plea to >> reinstate >> > > your key. Before>>> contacting Dave Cameron, it would be best to >> > > locate >> > > proof, if possible,>>> that you are the legitimate IRLP node >> owner.>>>>>> >> > > We apologize for this inconvenience but IRLP users have to understand >> > > the>>> substantial difference in nature both operationally and >> > politically >> > > between>>> Hamvoip and IRLP. You do have a choice! We have in the past >> > > expressed the>>> considerable advantages in using Hamvoip Allstar vs. >> > IRLP >> > > which are too>>> numerous to list here.>>> >> > > _______________________________________________>>> ARM-allstar-irlp >> > mailing >> > > list>>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> >> > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >> >>>>>> >> > > _______________________________________________>>> ARM-allstar-irlp >> > mailing >> > > list>>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> >> > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >> >>>>> >> > > _______________________________________________>> ARM-allstar-irlp >> > mailing >> > > list>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>> >> > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp> >> > > _______________________________________________> ARM-allstar-irlp >> mailing >> > > list> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> >> > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp>> >> > > _______________________________________________> ARM-allstar-irlp >> mailing >> > > list> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> >> > > >> > >> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp_______________________________________________ARM-allstar-irlp >> > > mailing listARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.orghttp:// >> > > lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >> > > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >> > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >> > > >> > -- >> > Sent from mobile. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >> > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >> > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >> > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > From wa3dsp at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 00:53:20 2020 From: wa3dsp at gmail.com (Doug Crompton) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 00:53:20 -0500 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] To ALL Hamvoip IRLP users Message-ID: We do not plan on taking out the current IRLP modules from the Hamvoip code but if you are running IRLP it is likely your keys were pulled by the IRLP admin. If this is the case we recommend that you turn off your IRLP by doing the following two things - In the /usr/local/etc/allstar.env file comment the exportIRLP="enabled" to #exportIRLP="enabled" Also you can turn off the IRLP module - In the /etc/asterisk/modules.conf file change (uncomment) - ;noload=chan_irlp.so to noload=chan_irlp.so Then reboot for the changes to take effect. This will disable your IRLP node. If for some reason you want to re-enable it in the future it is just a matter of reversing these two items. *73 Doug* *WA3DSP* *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * From w7ldn at w7ldn.com Wed Jan 15 01:56:51 2020 From: w7ldn at w7ldn.com (Elden W7LDN) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 22:56:51 -0800 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] To ALL Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have to say Doug... when I rebuilt my Allstar node a couple of months ago I was very surprised to see it had IRLP functionality. I assumed you and the IRLP folks had worked out an agreement. But it seems now that this wasn?t the case. I would have never attempted to use that feature of hamvoip had I known that. I think I?m a little curious what the IRLP folks would do if I just plugged my official IRLP hardware back in and then complained to them that it wasn?t working (assuming my key has been revoked). Do you think that they feel using the IRLP feature of hamvoip violates the IRLP license agreement? And the result is a permanent revocation? I guess we wouldn?t know if they were willing to reinstate one?s key until someone tries. I don?t feel very good about my $400 piece of hardware becoming a paperweight because I used what I thought was a legit feature. I?m a little surprised that hamvoip would offer an unauthorized method for accessing a network where the folks who run that network are known to be against such things. Was the IRLP feature of hamvoip approved by the IRLP folks at one time and then later disapproved? If I am wrong I would very much like to be corrected. I will be the first to admit I know very little of the specifics of the situation. What I have said above reflects only what I think I know. I would very much like it not to be true. On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 9:53 PM "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp" < arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > We do not plan on taking out the current IRLP modules from the Hamvoip code > but if you are running IRLP it is likely your keys were pulled by the IRLP > admin. If this is the case we recommend that you turn off your IRLP by > doing the following two things - > > In the /usr/local/etc/allstar.env file comment the > > exportIRLP="enabled" > > to > > #exportIRLP="enabled" > > Also you can turn off the IRLP module - > > In the /etc/asterisk/modules.conf file change (uncomment) - > > ;noload=chan_irlp.so > > to > > noload=chan_irlp.so > > Then reboot for the changes to take effect. > > This will disable your IRLP node. If for some reason you want to re-enable > it in the future it is just a matter of reversing these two items. > > > *73 Doug* > > *WA3DSP* > > *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > From w7ldn at w7ldn.com Wed Jan 15 02:27:01 2020 From: w7ldn at w7ldn.com (Elden W7LDN) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 23:27:01 -0800 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] To ALL Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gah! I was just thinking a little more about this. And I remember you saying there were some specific reasons why keys were being revoked. Primarily because of illegitimate key cloning or whatever. So the feature was indeed legit until the IRLP folks concluded that things were escalating beyond their control in terms of fraudulent activity by a few bad apples? On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 10:56 PM Elden W7LDN wrote: > I have to say Doug... when I rebuilt my Allstar node a couple of months > ago I was very surprised to see it had IRLP functionality. I assumed you > and the IRLP folks had worked out an agreement. > > But it seems now that this wasn?t the case. I would have never attempted > to use that feature of hamvoip had I known that. > > I think I?m a little curious what the IRLP folks would do if I just > plugged my official IRLP hardware back in and then complained to them that > it wasn?t working (assuming my key has been revoked). > > Do you think that they feel using the IRLP feature of hamvoip violates the > IRLP license agreement? And the result is a permanent revocation? I guess > we wouldn?t know if they were willing to reinstate one?s key until someone > tries. I don?t feel very good about my $400 piece of hardware becoming a > paperweight because I used what I thought was a legit feature. > > I?m a little surprised that hamvoip would offer an unauthorized method for > accessing a network where the folks who run that network are known to be > against such things. > > Was the IRLP feature of hamvoip approved by the IRLP folks at one time and > then later disapproved? > > If I am wrong I would very much like to be corrected. I will be the first > to admit I know very little of the specifics of the situation. What I have > said above reflects only what I think I know. I would very much like it not > to be true. > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 9:53 PM "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp" < > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > >> We do not plan on taking out the current IRLP modules from the Hamvoip >> code >> but if you are running IRLP it is likely your keys were pulled by the IRLP >> admin. If this is the case we recommend that you turn off your IRLP by >> doing the following two things - >> >> In the /usr/local/etc/allstar.env file comment the >> >> exportIRLP="enabled" >> >> to >> >> #exportIRLP="enabled" >> >> Also you can turn off the IRLP module - >> >> In the /etc/asterisk/modules.conf file change (uncomment) - >> >> ;noload=chan_irlp.so >> >> to >> >> noload=chan_irlp.so >> >> Then reboot for the changes to take effect. >> >> This will disable your IRLP node. If for some reason you want to re-enable >> it in the future it is just a matter of reversing these two items. >> >> >> *73 Doug* >> >> *WA3DSP* >> >> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * >> _______________________________________________ >> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >> > From wa3dsp at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 11:19:12 2020 From: wa3dsp at gmail.com (Doug Crompton) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 11:19:12 -0500 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] To ALL Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Elden, IRLP is a closed community that has arcane rules. There was a list of things that happened that caused the rif and pulling of keys many of which I won't go into. We did warn users about this and the IRLP rules in the howto. Allstar is free although we do like donations while IRLP requires a fee to participate. Apparently users were switching to Hamvoip IRLP and then selling or giving away their IRLP hardware and the next owner was fraudulently requesting a key. If you still have real hardware you can switch back to it and request to have your key restored by emailing Cameron. Whether he will do that or not is still not known. The bottom line here is that he and his henchmen run the system and all you followers have to abide by his rules which are stated on the IRLP web page. Among other things bridging and anything more than one on one contacts except through a reflector are prohibited. If you want to be part of it then that is your choice. None of this nonsense would ever happen on Allstar. Sometimes you just have to move on. *73 Doug* *WA3DSP* *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:27 AM "Elden W7LDN via ARM-allstar-irlp" < arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > Gah! I was just thinking a little more about this. And I remember you > saying there were some specific reasons why keys were being revoked. > Primarily because of illegitimate key cloning or whatever. So the feature > was indeed legit until the IRLP folks concluded that things were escalating > beyond their control in terms of fraudulent activity by a few bad apples? > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 10:56 PM Elden W7LDN wrote: > > > I have to say Doug... when I rebuilt my Allstar node a couple of months > > ago I was very surprised to see it had IRLP functionality. I assumed you > > and the IRLP folks had worked out an agreement. > > > > But it seems now that this wasn?t the case. I would have never attempted > > to use that feature of hamvoip had I known that. > > > > I think I?m a little curious what the IRLP folks would do if I just > > plugged my official IRLP hardware back in and then complained to them > that > > it wasn?t working (assuming my key has been revoked). > > > > Do you think that they feel using the IRLP feature of hamvoip violates > the > > IRLP license agreement? And the result is a permanent revocation? I guess > > we wouldn?t know if they were willing to reinstate one?s key until > someone > > tries. I don?t feel very good about my $400 piece of hardware becoming a > > paperweight because I used what I thought was a legit feature. > > > > I?m a little surprised that hamvoip would offer an unauthorized method > for > > accessing a network where the folks who run that network are known to be > > against such things. > > > > Was the IRLP feature of hamvoip approved by the IRLP folks at one time > and > > then later disapproved? > > > > If I am wrong I would very much like to be corrected. I will be the first > > to admit I know very little of the specifics of the situation. What I > have > > said above reflects only what I think I know. I would very much like it > not > > to be true. > > > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 9:53 PM "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp" < > > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > > > >> We do not plan on taking out the current IRLP modules from the Hamvoip > >> code > >> but if you are running IRLP it is likely your keys were pulled by the > IRLP > >> admin. If this is the case we recommend that you turn off your IRLP by > >> doing the following two things - > >> > >> In the /usr/local/etc/allstar.env file comment the > >> > >> exportIRLP="enabled" > >> > >> to > >> > >> #exportIRLP="enabled" > >> > >> Also you can turn off the IRLP module - > >> > >> In the /etc/asterisk/modules.conf file change (uncomment) - > >> > >> ;noload=chan_irlp.so > >> > >> to > >> > >> noload=chan_irlp.so > >> > >> Then reboot for the changes to take effect. > >> > >> This will disable your IRLP node. If for some reason you want to > re-enable > >> it in the future it is just a matter of reversing these two items. > >> > >> > >> *73 Doug* > >> > >> *WA3DSP* > >> > >> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * > >> _______________________________________________ > >> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > >> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > >> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > From w7ldn at w7ldn.com Wed Jan 15 14:09:22 2020 From: w7ldn at w7ldn.com (Elden W7LDN) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 11:09:22 -0800 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] To ALL Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am certainly not disagreeing with the pros/cons of the two systems. I guess my main question was regarding the feelings of the IRLP admins about the inclusion of the IRLP functionality in the hamvoip distribution to begin with. It had been part of Allstar but then later removed at their request if I remember correctly. That was why I was surprised to see it back. I forked over good money for a Pi IRLP node a few years back. I had used IRLP on repeaters long ago and had fond memories. Upon returning, I soon found out that it was a bit of a ghost town. As a side note... I?ve recently heard a few IRLP regulars/die-hards that I remember show up on D-Star and WiRES-X. Even they decided it was time to move on. I?ll try not to beat this to death. Thank you Doug for responding. And thanks for all you?re doing for the future of Allstar. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:28 AM "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp" < arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > Elden, > > IRLP is a closed community that has arcane rules. There was a list of > things that happened that caused the rif and pulling of keys many of which > I won't go into. We did warn users about this and the IRLP rules in the > howto. Allstar is free although we do like donations while IRLP requires a > fee to participate. Apparently users were switching to Hamvoip IRLP and > then selling or giving away their IRLP hardware and the next owner was > fraudulently requesting a key. > > If you still have real hardware you can switch back to it and request to > have your key restored by emailing Cameron. Whether he will do that or not > is still not known. The bottom line here is that he and his henchmen run > the system and all you followers have to abide by his rules which are > stated on the IRLP web page. Among other things bridging and anything more > than one on one contacts except through a reflector are prohibited. If you > want to be part of it then that is your choice. None of this nonsense would > ever happen on Allstar. Sometimes you just have to move on. > > > *73 Doug* > > *WA3DSP* > > *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:27 AM "Elden W7LDN via ARM-allstar-irlp" < > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > > > Gah! I was just thinking a little more about this. And I remember you > > saying there were some specific reasons why keys were being revoked. > > Primarily because of illegitimate key cloning or whatever. So the feature > > was indeed legit until the IRLP folks concluded that things were > escalating > > beyond their control in terms of fraudulent activity by a few bad apples? > > > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 10:56 PM Elden W7LDN wrote: > > > > > I have to say Doug... when I rebuilt my Allstar node a couple of months > > > ago I was very surprised to see it had IRLP functionality. I assumed > you > > > and the IRLP folks had worked out an agreement. > > > > > > But it seems now that this wasn?t the case. I would have never > attempted > > > to use that feature of hamvoip had I known that. > > > > > > I think I?m a little curious what the IRLP folks would do if I just > > > plugged my official IRLP hardware back in and then complained to them > > that > > > it wasn?t working (assuming my key has been revoked). > > > > > > Do you think that they feel using the IRLP feature of hamvoip violates > > the > > > IRLP license agreement? And the result is a permanent revocation? I > guess > > > we wouldn?t know if they were willing to reinstate one?s key until > > someone > > > tries. I don?t feel very good about my $400 piece of hardware becoming > a > > > paperweight because I used what I thought was a legit feature. > > > > > > I?m a little surprised that hamvoip would offer an unauthorized method > > for > > > accessing a network where the folks who run that network are known to > be > > > against such things. > > > > > > Was the IRLP feature of hamvoip approved by the IRLP folks at one time > > and > > > then later disapproved? > > > > > > If I am wrong I would very much like to be corrected. I will be the > first > > > to admit I know very little of the specifics of the situation. What I > > have > > > said above reflects only what I think I know. I would very much like it > > not > > > to be true. > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 9:53 PM "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp" < > > > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > > > > > >> We do not plan on taking out the current IRLP modules from the Hamvoip > > >> code > > >> but if you are running IRLP it is likely your keys were pulled by the > > IRLP > > >> admin. If this is the case we recommend that you turn off your IRLP > by > > >> doing the following two things - > > >> > > >> In the /usr/local/etc/allstar.env file comment the > > >> > > >> exportIRLP="enabled" > > >> > > >> to > > >> > > >> #exportIRLP="enabled" > > >> > > >> Also you can turn off the IRLP module - > > >> > > >> In the /etc/asterisk/modules.conf file change (uncomment) - > > >> > > >> ;noload=chan_irlp.so > > >> > > >> to > > >> > > >> noload=chan_irlp.so > > >> > > >> Then reboot for the changes to take effect. > > >> > > >> This will disable your IRLP node. If for some reason you want to > > re-enable > > >> it in the future it is just a matter of reversing these two items. > > >> > > >> > > >> *73 Doug* > > >> > > >> *WA3DSP* > > >> > > >> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > > >> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > > >> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > > > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > From k4fxc at pcrn.net Wed Jan 15 15:49:02 2020 From: k4fxc at pcrn.net (David McGough) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 15:49:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I agree in retrospect it's likely that's how the IRLP management interpreted the HamVoIP / IRLP package. In reality, I believe the opposite is true. HamVoIP support provides many former IRLP user's with "dead" systems a way to reconnect with IRLP. As many users have mentioned, without this package, they wouldn't have been back on IRLP. We also know there has been an exodus of analog ham repeaters, their replacements being some digital system. Again, no IRLP connection. Since IRLP requires a separate repeater controller, the choices there are shrinking too, now that CATauto has closed stop. Changing times. 73, David K4FXC On Tue, 14 Jan 2020, "Randy Neals via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: > Biggest threat to IRLP's future maybe? On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 3:59 AM "wl7lp via ARM-allstar-irlp" < arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > What I'd like to know is why Hamvoip IRLP node was singled out and all > the ASL irlp bridged nodes are still up and running connected to IRLP > reflectors? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: Tony via ARM-allstar-irlp < > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> Date: 1/13/20 9:47 PM (GMT-09:00) To: > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org Cc: Tony Subject: Re: > [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users Very well-put, > David.On 1/13/20 6:10 PM, "David McGough via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:> > Fred,>> HamVoIP and AllStar are not dependent on any external servers. You > can> setup completely private networks, even build your own network from> > scratch, if you wanted to. Many have built and run their own networks,> > including me.>> In their default setups, both IRLP and AllStar depend on > central servers> to provide a frequently updated mapping of IP addresses to > nodes. This is> needed only if IP addresses change, unneeded if all the > addresses are> static. The IRLP servers also provide updated public PGP > keyrings.>> AllStar has numerous advantages over IRLP. Some are: true > full-duplex> communications, each node is a full "reflector," allowing > many> simultaneous in-bound and out-bound connections, many more CODECs> > available, fully integrated repeater control is built-in, flexible> > software-based bridging is easily setup, if desired, only one single UDP> > port is needed, IAX2 provides packet jitter-buffering, automatically> > compensating for network latency changes, there are MANY sources of> > compatible hardware, you're not locked into a single source and the list> > goes on and on.>> Honestly, I'm not aware of any area where IRLP has > superiority, at this> point?? I know some persons have commented about > IRLP's PGP node> authentication for security. I guess it should be pointed > out that IRLP's> version of PGP uses RSA-512 keys, which were considered > obsolete 20 years> ago. These keys were first cracked in 1999! Today, > RSA-512 private keys> can be revealed within a few hours by any hacker who > might happen to take> interest.>> Doug's comments were spot-on. There was > no slander. There is a huge> learning curve with AllStar, I won't deny > that. It's truly ashame that the> IRLP world seems to want to maintain an > isolationist policy all the way to> the end. The pages of history are > turning.>>> 73, David K4FXC>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2020, "w5mgm--- via > ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote:>>> Doug,> There's a lot of reasons that some > of use IRLP. Perfect example> is right now the way the Allstar system is > set up, it depends on> Allstar's servers for my node to maintain a > connection to other nodes.> With IRLP, once my node is connected to another > node or reflector,> IRLP's servers are not needed to keep the connection > alive. So if> David Cameron shut down shop tomorrow, all of our IRLP > systems would> still work, there just wouldn't be any new nodes added to > the network.> I don't believe we can say the same if Allstar's servers were > to all> be shutdown. That being said, why you would put down and slander > IRLP> is beyond me.>> Fred> W5MGM>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM, Doug > Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp wrote:>>>> > ??????Larry,>>>> Sorry to hear you are down with the flu. I wish you a > speedy recovery.>>>> As far as IRLP is concerned I really think its days > are numbered. It is>> very insecure, so much less feature enhanced, and > generally outdated>> compared to Hamvoip Allstar. Why anyone would run IRLP > with Hamvoip being>> available is beyond me. As you know I ran IRLP for > about a year about 8>> years ago now. That may have been how we met. Anyhow > I quickly realized>> that is was not for me mainly because of the politics > and so called rules>> not to mention the vast superiority of Allstar. I > would encourage you to>> get people that you know on IRLP over on Allstar. > It is easy to do and for>> those that have a real IRLP Pi system using a Pi > 2 or newer it would cost>> less than $60 to do it. If anyone needs help > referring them to hamvoip.org>> and my email. For those Hamvoip users > that have added IRLP most reflectors>> have Allstar inputs so there is no > reason to connect using IRLP. This>> latest tactic by Cameron and his > henchmen will only bring more people to>> Allstar.>>>>>> *73 Doug*>>>> > *WA3DSP*>>>> *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio < > http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>*>>>>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 3:12 PM > "Larry via ARM-allstar-irlp" <>>> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> > wrote:>>>>>> Good afternoon Doug, hope you and yours had a great holiday. I > think IRLP>>> admin blocked my node (8277). I've had this node from the > beginning at>>> lesst>>> 15-20 years. Software & hardware brought from > IRLP. Don't have any>>> receipts.>>> Who keeps receipts after 5 years, > unless it's taxes Hi. I think I saw>>> something a few years back about > hams downloading IRLP with out buying to>>> get a node #. I'll stay tune, > only use IRLP to chat with friends on 9613.>>> Oh>>> yea he knows about > Allstar, can't teach a old DOG new tricks.>>>>>> Take care trying to get > over this flu!>>> Slowly trying to get my e-mails over to > contact at n3vsi.com>>> So far I'm getting the ARM- allstar Digest at that > e-mail>>>>>> Contact me>>> contact at n3vsi.com>>> You have my home #>>> > Later>>> Larry N3vsi>>>>>> -----Original Message----->>> From: "Doug > Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp">>> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:02>>> > To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> Cc: Doug Crompton>>> Subject: > [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users>>>>>> It has > come to our attention that some of the Hamvoip IRLP module users>>> can no > longer connect to IRLP nodes or reflectors. This is because the>>> IRLP > public keys for these nodes have been pulled by the IRLP management.>>> We > have learned that some Hamvoip users may have fraudulently acquired>>> keys > and otherwise frustrated the IRLP management. We warned people in our>>> > howto that the IRLP system is a closely controlled system and keys are>>> > sold with the IRLP hardware. Only users who actually buy hardware or > keys>>> from IRLP are authorized into the system. The Hamvoip IRLP gateway > was>>> intended to allow real and authorized IRLP users who had hardware > to>>> integrate it into one Pi system with Hamvoip code. We also warned > users of>>> Hamvoip IRLP that they were to come to us first (this list) NOT > the IRLP>>> forums for help and apparently that has not always been the > case.>>>>>> We are currently working with the IRLP management, trying to > resolve their>>> concerns. If your Hamvoip IRLP node has stopped working, > it is most likely>>> because your key or the key of the node you are trying > to connect to has>>> been removed. Many IRLP users and reflectors also > have connectivity to>>> AllStar. If you're trying to connect to a system > that already provides a>>> bridge to AllStar, don't connect via IRLP, use > AllStar!>>>>>> If you have an IRLP system that you bought and you own the > keys for and>>> you converted it to Hamvoip and retired the original IRLP > hardware, then>>> you should in our opinion be entitled to retain your key > and use IRLP.>>> But that hardware is not to be sold to someone else to > again obtain>>> another key fraudulently.. These are not our rules. Hamvoip > code and>>> operation is totally free and based on donations, IRLP is not. > They make>>> money to support their operational expenses based on the sale > of hardware.>>> If they want to sell keys minus hardware it is up to them, > but understand>>> we have no control over that. If you have a fully legal > IRLP node that you>>> purchased and own the key for and it is not working > then you should>>> contact Dave Cameron directly with a plea to reinstate > your key. Before>>> contacting Dave Cameron, it would be best to locate > proof, if possible,>>> that you are the legitimate IRLP node owner.>>>>>> > We apologize for this inconvenience but IRLP users have to understand > the>>> substantial difference in nature both operationally and politically > between>>> Hamvoip and IRLP. You do have a choice! We have in the past > expressed the>>> considerable advantages in using Hamvoip Allstar vs. IRLP > which are too>>> numerous to list here.>>> > _______________________________________________>>> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing > list>>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp>>>>>> > _______________________________________________>>> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing > list>>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>>> > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp>>>>> > _______________________________________________>> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing > list>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org>> > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp> > _______________________________________________> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing > list> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp>> > _______________________________________________> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing > list> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp_______________________________________________ARM-allstar-irlp > mailing listARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.orghttp:// > lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > -- Sent from mobile. _______________________________________________ ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp From paulkn2r at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 17:28:33 2020 From: paulkn2r at gmail.com (Paul - KN2R) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 17:28:33 -0500 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: <20200114115953.EBC56A00149@newplesk.inttek.net> References: <20200114115953.EBC56A00149@newplesk.inttek.net> Message-ID: <032501d5cbf3$1f8bba40$5ea32ec0$@com> Agreed, and also how are some HamVoIP nodes that were bridging to certain reflectors before for years, now after "The Purge", still allowed to bridge once again? Did they pay more to buy their key back? Why are they special? Select AllStar nodes can still bridge an IRLP Reflector to many AllStar nodes, but a single IRLP node owner cannot bridge anything, one-on-one IRLP only. Junk it, not needed anymore! Greatest thing is an AllStar IRLP node after "The Purge" still has AllStar! No impact at all. The 100% IRLP compatibility was nice, for years actually, until they targeted HamVoIP. -----Original Message----- From: ARM-allstar-irlp [mailto:arm-allstar-irlp-bounces at hamvoip.org] On Behalf Of "wl7lp via ARM-allstar-irlp" Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 2:35 AM To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org Cc: wl7lp Subject: Re: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users What I'd like to know is why Hamvoip IRLP node was singled out and all the ASL irlp bridged nodes are still up and running connected to IRLP reflectors? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. From contact at n3vsi.com Wed Jan 15 18:12:00 2020 From: contact at n3vsi.com (N3vsi) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 18:12:00 -0500 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: <032501d5cbf3$1f8bba40$5ea32ec0$@com> References: <20200114115953.EBC56A00149@newplesk.inttek.net> <032501d5cbf3$1f8bba40$5ea32ec0$@com> Message-ID: <835c3667-66c5-f8b0-e532-84f2face740c@n3vsi.com> All about the BENJIMS Larry N3vsi On 1/15/20 5:28 PM, "Paul - KN2R via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: > Agreed, and also how are some HamVoIP nodes that were bridging to certain reflectors before for years, now after "The Purge", still allowed to bridge once again? Did they pay more to buy their key back? Why are they special? > > Select AllStar nodes can still bridge an IRLP Reflector to many AllStar nodes, but a single IRLP node owner cannot bridge anything, one-on-one IRLP only. Junk it, not needed anymore! > Greatest thing is an AllStar IRLP node after "The Purge" still has AllStar! No impact at all. > The 100% IRLP compatibility was nice, for years actually, until they targeted HamVoIP. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ARM-allstar-irlp [mailto:arm-allstar-irlp-bounces at hamvoip.org] On Behalf Of "wl7lp via ARM-allstar-irlp" > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 2:35 AM > To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > Cc: wl7lp > Subject: Re: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users > > What I'd like to know is why Hamvoip IRLP node was singled out and all the ASL irlp bridged nodes are still up and running connected to IRLP reflectors? > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp From kyserver at gmail.com Sun Jan 19 22:06:09 2020 From: kyserver at gmail.com (Richard Hyde) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 22:06:09 -0500 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: <835c3667-66c5-f8b0-e532-84f2face740c@n3vsi.com> References: <20200114115953.EBC56A00149@newplesk.inttek.net> <032501d5cbf3$1f8bba40$5ea32ec0$@com> <835c3667-66c5-f8b0-e532-84f2face740c@n3vsi.com> Message-ID: I have went back and forth with IRLP Dave... sent him several emails Trying to get my node reinstated. But had no luck. Even told him I?ve never had any interference or problems. And even stated that cross-linking has been going on from the start even before IRLP. On my last email to him he offered to reinstall my node and get it back up and running on his equipment. (IRLP Board) And I said what?s the difference in me using your equipment and cross-linking then using one board and one computer and doing it all on one device. And he quoted that hamvoip is not compatible.. So now I debate on whether to make a YouTube video or not. How to get your PGP keys working again. Grab the IRLP board take it outside lay it on the concrete and smash it with a hammer. I will never keep up on our IRLP ever again ?73 www.KE4GJG.com On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:12 PM "N3vsi via ARM-allstar-irlp" < arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > All about the BENJIMS > > Larry > > N3vsi > > On 1/15/20 5:28 PM, "Paul - KN2R via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: > > Agreed, and also how are some HamVoIP nodes that were bridging to > certain reflectors before for years, now after "The Purge", still allowed > to bridge once again? Did they pay more to buy their key back? Why are > they special? > > > > Select AllStar nodes can still bridge an IRLP Reflector to many AllStar > nodes, but a single IRLP node owner cannot bridge anything, one-on-one IRLP > only. Junk it, not needed anymore! > > Greatest thing is an AllStar IRLP node after "The Purge" still has > AllStar! No impact at all. > > The 100% IRLP compatibility was nice, for years actually, until they > targeted HamVoIP. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ARM-allstar-irlp [mailto:arm-allstar-irlp-bounces at hamvoip.org] On > Behalf Of "wl7lp via ARM-allstar-irlp" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 2:35 AM > > To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > > Cc: wl7lp > > Subject: Re: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users > > > > What I'd like to know is why Hamvoip IRLP node was singled out and all > the ASL irlp bridged nodes are still up and running connected to IRLP > reflectors? > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > -- * Richard Hyde* * KE4GJG * * 606-260-9999* * London, KY 40741* From w5mgm at aol.com Sun Jan 19 22:37:25 2020 From: w5mgm at aol.com (Fred) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 21:37:25 -0600 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: <20200114115953.EBC56A00149@newplesk.inttek.net> <032501d5cbf3$1f8bba40$5ea32ec0$@com> <835c3667-66c5-f8b0-e532-84f2face740c@n3vsi.com> Message-ID: Richard, if you want to get rid of your irlp board send it to me, my address is good on QRZ. Dave Cameron has told you that he?d reinstate your pgp keys if you put your node back on IRLP software. Dave took the drastic action of removing pgp keys from folks running Hamvoip after seeing the same node number reporting twice to his servers because there?s been some theft of keys from unsuspecting victims, and also people different people sending him the same picture of an IRLP board they?d supposedly bought at a hamfest trying to get pgp keys from him for free. If you don?t like IRLP good riddance. I run IRLP and I run Hamvoip allstar. IRLP is a hell of a lot more reliable for keeping my connections alive. Fred W5MGM From: Richard Hyde via ARM-allstar-irlp Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:21 PM To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org Cc: Richard Hyde Subject: Re: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users I have went back and forth with IRLP Dave... sent him several emails Trying to get my node reinstated. But had no luck. Even told him I?ve never had any interference or problems. And even stated that cross-linking has been going on from the start even before IRLP. On my last email to him he offered to reinstall my node and get it back up and running on his equipment. (IRLP Board) And I said what?s the difference in me using your equipment and cross-linking then using one board and one computer and doing it all on one device. And he quoted that hamvoip is not compatible.. So now I debate on whether to make a YouTube video or not. How to get your PGP keys working again. Grab the IRLP board take it outside lay it on the concrete and smash it with a hammer. I will never keep up on our IRLP ever again ?73 www.KE4GJG.com On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:12 PM "N3vsi via ARM-allstar-irlp" < arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > All about the BENJIMS > > Larry > > N3vsi > > On 1/15/20 5:28 PM, "Paul - KN2R via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: > > Agreed, and also how are some HamVoIP nodes that were bridging to > certain reflectors before for years, now after "The Purge", still allowed > to bridge once again? Did they pay more to buy their key back? Why are > they special? > > > > Select AllStar nodes can still bridge an IRLP Reflector to many AllStar > nodes, but a single IRLP node owner cannot bridge anything, one-on-one IRLP > only. Junk it, not needed anymore! > > Greatest thing is an AllStar IRLP node after "The Purge" still has > AllStar! No impact at all. > > The 100% IRLP compatibility was nice, for years actually, until they > targeted HamVoIP. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ARM-allstar-irlp [mailto:arm-allstar-irlp-bounces at hamvoip.org] On > Behalf Of "wl7lp via ARM-allstar-irlp" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 2:35 AM > > To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > > Cc: wl7lp > > Subject: Re: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users > > > > What I'd like to know is why Hamvoip IRLP node was singled out and all > the ASL irlp bridged nodes are still up and running connected to IRLP > reflectors? > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > -- * Richard Hyde* * KE4GJG * * 606-260-9999* * London, KY 40741* _______________________________________________ ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp From k4fxc at pcrn.net Sun Jan 19 23:02:16 2020 From: k4fxc at pcrn.net (David McGough) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 23:02:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: <20200120035053.3CFA9A000AC@newplesk.inttek.net> Message-ID: Fred, I'm curious as to what type of AllStar reliability issues you're having?? What nodes are not staying connected?? How is IRLP more reliable than HamVoIP/AllStar? I want to know, so that if there are problems, I can try to fix them. As for theft of IRLP keys or anything else, WHO EXACTLY had their keys stolen?? So far all I've heard are rumors, rumors and more rumors. No actual cases. If you've got details about actual cases, tell me. Unfortunately, I don't doubt that perhaps some hams might have tried to obtain NEW keys by supplying clip-art, where they didn't actually have IRLP hardware. WHO WERE THEY???? Again, all the evidence so far is hearsay. If Dave Cameron had a problem, he should just charge a key transfer fee. Or, simply say no. 73, David K4FXC On Sun, 19 Jan 2020, "Fred via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: > Richard, if you want to get rid of your irlp board send it to me, my address is good on QRZ. Dave Cameron has told you that he???d reinstate your pgp keys if you put your node back on IRLP software. Dave took the drastic action of removing pgp keys from folks running Hamvoip after seeing the same node number reporting twice to his servers because there???s been some theft of keys from unsuspecting victims, and also people different people sending him the same picture of an IRLP board they???d supposedly bought at a hamfest trying to get pgp keys from him for free. If you don???t like IRLP good riddance. I run IRLP and I run Hamvoip allstar. IRLP is a hell of a lot more reliable for keeping my connections alive. Fred W5MGM From: Richard Hyde via ARM-allstar-irlp Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:21 PM To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org Cc: Richard Hyde Subject: Re: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users I have went back and forth with IRLP Dave... sent him several emails Trying to get my node reinstated. But had no luck. Even told him I???ve never had any interference or problems. And even stated that cross-linking has been going on from the start even before IRLP. On my last email to him he offered to reinstall my node and get it back up and running on his equipment. (IRLP Board) And I said what???s the difference in me using your equipment and cross-linking then using one board and one computer and doing it all on one device. And he quoted that hamvoip is not compatible.. So now I debate on whether to make a YouTube video or not. How to get your PGP keys working again. Grab the IRLP board take it outside lay it on the concrete and smash it with a hammer. I will never keep up on our IRLP ever again ???73 www.KE4GJG.com On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:12 PM "N3vsi via ARM-allstar-irlp" < arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > All about the BENJIMS > > Larry > > N3vsi > > On 1/15/20 5:28 PM, "Paul - KN2R via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: > > Agreed, and also how are some HamVoIP nodes that were bridging to > certain reflectors before for years, now after "The Purge", still allowed > to bridge once again? Did they pay more to buy their key back? Why are > they special? > > > > Select AllStar nodes can still bridge an IRLP Reflector to many AllStar > nodes, but a single IRLP node owner cannot bridge anything, one-on-one IRLP > only. Junk it, not needed anymore! > > Greatest thing is an AllStar IRLP node after "The Purge" still has > AllStar! No impact at all. > > The 100% IRLP compatibility was nice, for years actually, until they > targeted HamVoIP. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ARM-allstar-irlp [mailto:arm-allstar-irlp-bounces at hamvoip.org] On > Behalf Of "wl7lp via ARM-allstar-irlp" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 2:35 AM > > To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > > Cc: wl7lp > > Subject: Re: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users > > > > What I'd like to know is why Hamvoip IRLP node was singled out and all > the ASL irlp bridged nodes are still up and running connected to IRLP > reflectors? > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > -- * Richard Hyde* * KE4GJG * * 606-260-9999* * London, KY 40741* _______________________________________________ ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp _______________________________________________ ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp From wa3dsp at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 01:30:51 2020 From: wa3dsp at gmail.com (Doug Crompton) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 01:30:51 -0500 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: <20200114115953.EBC56A00149@newplesk.inttek.net> <032501d5cbf3$1f8bba40$5ea32ec0$@com> <835c3667-66c5-f8b0-e532-84f2face740c@n3vsi.com> Message-ID: Richard, The statement that the other gentleman made that IRLP is more reliable and implying that Hamvoip is not reliable is a bunch of crap. Hamvoip is extremely reliable. I have hub nodes with 50+ users that run forever. Many repeaters including mine use it as a controller and it works great. The only reason I ever reboot or restart is to update software. I could say this until I am blue in the face and I am mostly preaching to the choir here but IRLP is a bygone mode that is really nothing more than connecting two ends together in half duplex with rather poor security in fact piss poor security. We could break it and take it over in a minute but why bother when we have so much better technology. IRLP also is extremely political and as you can see many of the rather small core of users are actually part of a cult with allegiance to the grand master Cameron and his henchmen and the Gestapo reflectors operators. This is proven by the actions that have taken place. If I were you I would not look back, enjoy the benefits and freedom of Hamvoip, and consider smashing that board. You paid for it and you should get the pleasure out of destroying it! BTW I put out a simple checklist of how to convert from a PiIRLP to Hamvoip on the hamvoip.org website. It is really very easy. If you know IRLP users who want to convert let them know. *73 Doug* *WA3DSP* *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 10:21 PM "Richard Hyde via ARM-allstar-irlp" < arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > I have went back and forth with IRLP Dave... sent him several emails Trying > to get my node reinstated. But had no luck. Even told him I?ve never had > any interference or problems. And even stated that cross-linking has been > going on from the start even before IRLP. On my last email to him he > offered to reinstall my node and get it back up and running on his > equipment. (IRLP Board) And I said what?s the difference in me using your > equipment and cross-linking then using one board and one computer and doing > it all on one device. > And he quoted that hamvoip is not compatible.. > > So now I debate on whether to make a YouTube video or not. How to get your > PGP keys working again. Grab the IRLP board take it outside lay it on the > concrete and smash it with a hammer. I will never keep up on our IRLP ever > again > > ?73 > www.KE4GJG.com > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:12 PM "N3vsi via ARM-allstar-irlp" < > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > > > All about the BENJIMS > > > > Larry > > > > N3vsi > > > > On 1/15/20 5:28 PM, "Paul - KN2R via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: > > > Agreed, and also how are some HamVoIP nodes that were bridging to > > certain reflectors before for years, now after "The Purge", still allowed > > to bridge once again? Did they pay more to buy their key back? Why are > > they special? > > > > > > Select AllStar nodes can still bridge an IRLP Reflector to many AllStar > > nodes, but a single IRLP node owner cannot bridge anything, one-on-one > IRLP > > only. Junk it, not needed anymore! > > > Greatest thing is an AllStar IRLP node after "The Purge" still has > > AllStar! No impact at all. > > > The 100% IRLP compatibility was nice, for years actually, until they > > targeted HamVoIP. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ARM-allstar-irlp [mailto:arm-allstar-irlp-bounces at hamvoip.org] > On > > Behalf Of "wl7lp via ARM-allstar-irlp" > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 2:35 AM > > > To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > > > Cc: wl7lp > > > Subject: Re: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP > users > > > > > > What I'd like to know is why Hamvoip IRLP node was singled out and all > > the ASL irlp bridged nodes are still up and running connected to IRLP > > reflectors? > > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > > > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > > _______________________________________________ > > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > > > -- > * Richard Hyde* > > * KE4GJG * > * 606-260-9999* > * London, KY 40741* > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > From kyserver at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 19:53:55 2020 From: kyserver at gmail.com (Richard Hyde) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 19:53:55 -0500 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: <20200120035053.3CFA9A000AC@newplesk.inttek.net> Message-ID: Fred W5MGM No thanks... I am destroying all of my IRLP boards. So nobody else has to go the the HELL I have been through. It is just too big of a hassle and you have no control of your own equipment. Alstarlink is far superior when it comes to connections! I've never had a connection drop on AlStarlink. On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 11:02 PM "David McGough via ARM-allstar-irlp" < arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > > Fred, > > I'm curious as to what type of AllStar reliability issues you're having?? > What nodes are not staying connected?? > > How is IRLP more reliable than HamVoIP/AllStar? I want to know, so that > if there are problems, I can try to fix them. > > As for theft of IRLP keys or anything else, WHO EXACTLY had their keys > stolen?? So far all I've heard are rumors, rumors and more rumors. No > actual cases. If you've got details about actual cases, tell me. > > Unfortunately, I don't doubt that perhaps some hams might have tried to > obtain NEW keys by supplying clip-art, where they didn't actually have > IRLP hardware. WHO WERE THEY???? Again, all the evidence so far is > hearsay. If Dave Cameron had a problem, he should just charge a key > transfer fee. Or, simply say no. > > > 73, David K4FXC > > > On Sun, 19 Jan 2020, "Fred via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: > > > Richard, if you want to get rid of your irlp board send it to me, my > address is good on QRZ. Dave Cameron has told you that he???d > reinstate your pgp keys if you put your node back on IRLP software. Dave > took the drastic action of removing pgp keys from folks running Hamvoip > after seeing the same node number reporting twice to his servers because > there???s been some theft of keys from unsuspecting victims, and also > people different people sending him the same picture of an IRLP board > they???d supposedly bought at a hamfest trying to get pgp keys from him > for free. If you don???t like IRLP good riddance. I run IRLP and I run > Hamvoip allstar. IRLP is a hell of a lot more reliable for keeping my > connections alive. > > Fred > W5MGM > > From: Richard Hyde via ARM-allstar-irlp > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:21 PM > To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > Cc: Richard Hyde > Subject: Re: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users > > I have went back and forth with IRLP Dave... sent him several emails Trying > to get my node reinstated. But had no luck. Even told him I???ve never had > any interference or problems. And even stated that cross-linking has been > going on from the start even before IRLP. On my last email to him he > offered to reinstall my node and get it back up and running on his > equipment. (IRLP Board) And I said what???s the difference in me using your > equipment and cross-linking then using one board and one computer and doing > it all on one device. > And he quoted that hamvoip is not compatible.. > > So now I debate on whether to make a YouTube video or not. How to get your > PGP keys working again. Grab the IRLP board take it outside lay it on the > concrete and smash it with a hammer. I will never keep up on our IRLP ever > again > > ???73 > www.KE4GJG.com > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:12 PM "N3vsi via ARM-allstar-irlp" < > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > > > All about the BENJIMS > > > > Larry > > > > N3vsi > > > > On 1/15/20 5:28 PM, "Paul - KN2R via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: > > > Agreed, and also how are some HamVoIP nodes that were bridging to > > certain reflectors before for years, now after "The Purge", still allowed > > to bridge once again? Did they pay more to buy their key back? Why are > > they special? > > > > > > Select AllStar nodes can still bridge an IRLP Reflector to many AllStar > > nodes, but a single IRLP node owner cannot bridge anything, one-on-one > IRLP > > only. Junk it, not needed anymore! > > > Greatest thing is an AllStar IRLP node after "The Purge" still has > > AllStar! No impact at all. > > > The 100% IRLP compatibility was nice, for years actually, until they > > targeted HamVoIP. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ARM-allstar-irlp [mailto:arm-allstar-irlp-bounces at hamvoip.org] > On > > Behalf Of "wl7lp via ARM-allstar-irlp" > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 2:35 AM > > > To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > > > Cc: wl7lp > > > Subject: Re: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP > users > > > > > > What I'd like to know is why Hamvoip IRLP node was singled out and all > > the ASL irlp bridged nodes are still up and running connected to IRLP > > reflectors? > > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > > > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > > _______________________________________________ > > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > > > -- > * Richard Hyde* > > * KE4GJG * > * 606-260-9999* > * London, KY 40741* > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > From kyserver at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 21:03:02 2020 From: kyserver at gmail.com (Richard Hyde) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 21:03:02 -0500 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] IRLP code removal In-Reply-To: <20200115003422.A45E0A0016B@newplesk.inttek.net> References: <20200115003422.A45E0A0016B@newplesk.inttek.net> Message-ID: Here you go. Easy way to turn it off.. In the /usr/local/etc/allstar.env file comment the exportIRLP="enabled" to #exportIRLP="enabled" Also you can turn off the IRLP module - In the /etc/asterisk/modules.conf file change (uncomment) - ;noload=chan_irlp.so to noload=chan_irlp.so Then reboot for the changes to take effect. On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:34 PM "srogers via ARM-allstar-irlp" < arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > Like others I am done with IRLP. What is the best way to remove the > installed IRLP code from hamvoip?ThanksSteveW4YISent from my Verizon, > Samsung Galaxy smartphone > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp > -- * Richard Hyde* * KE4GJG * * 606-260-9999* * London, KY 40741* From celltech161 at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 10:08:44 2020 From: celltech161 at gmail.com (Justin Reed) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 09:08:44 -0600 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: <20200120035053.3CFA9A000AC@newplesk.inttek.net> Message-ID: The only reason IRLP goons think IRLP is "more reliable" is because IRLP connections are completely stateless. If the path between two nodes or between node and reflector breaks while the connection is up, there is no indication at all. You'd have to notice that you aren't getting any traffic from the far end. Most people would never know. Happened to me several times. You have to dump the connection and re-link to pick up a change of route or IP, etc. With Allstar, if the path goes away, Allstar detects it and retries until it hits the max retry or until it's re-established. So anybody that says IRLP is more reliable just plain doesn't know what the hell they are talking about. The biggest downfall of IRLP is the fact that it's creator is a tantrum-throwing child surrounded by fanbois. Justin NV8Q On 1/20/2020 6:53 PM, "Richard Hyde via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: > Fred > W5MGM > > No thanks... I am destroying all of my IRLP boards. So nobody else has to > go the the HELL I have been through. It is just too big of a hassle and you > have no control of your own equipment. Alstarlink is far superior when it > comes to connections! I've never had a connection drop on AlStarlink. > > On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 11:02 PM "David McGough via ARM-allstar-irlp" < > arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: > >> Fred, >> >> I'm curious as to what type of AllStar reliability issues you're having?? >> What nodes are not staying connected?? >> >> How is IRLP more reliable than HamVoIP/AllStar? I want to know, so that >> if there are problems, I can try to fix them. >> >> As for theft of IRLP keys or anything else, WHO EXACTLY had their keys >> stolen?? So far all I've heard are rumors, rumors and more rumors. No >> actual cases. If you've got details about actual cases, tell me. >> >> Unfortunately, I don't doubt that perhaps some hams might have tried to >> obtain NEW keys by supplying clip-art, where they didn't actually have >> IRLP hardware. WHO WERE THEY???? Again, all the evidence so far is >> hearsay. If Dave Cameron had a problem, he should just charge a key >> transfer fee. Or, simply say no. >> >> >> 73, David K4FXC >> >> >> On Sun, 19 Jan 2020, "Fred via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: >> >>> Richard, if you want to get rid of your irlp board send it to me, my >> address is good on QRZ. Dave Cameron has told you that he???d >> reinstate your pgp keys if you put your node back on IRLP software. Dave >> took the drastic action of removing pgp keys from folks running Hamvoip >> after seeing the same node number reporting twice to his servers because >> there???s been some theft of keys from unsuspecting victims, and also >> people different people sending him the same picture of an IRLP board >> they???d supposedly bought at a hamfest trying to get pgp keys from him >> for free. If you don???t like IRLP good riddance. I run IRLP and I run >> Hamvoip allstar. IRLP is a hell of a lot more reliable for keeping my >> connections alive. >> >> Fred >> W5MGM >> >> From: Richard Hyde via ARM-allstar-irlp >> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:21 PM >> To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >> Cc: Richard Hyde >> Subject: Re: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users >> >> I have went back and forth with IRLP Dave... sent him several emails Trying >> to get my node reinstated. But had no luck. Even told him I???ve never had >> any interference or problems. And even stated that cross-linking has been >> going on from the start even before IRLP. On my last email to him he >> offered to reinstall my node and get it back up and running on his >> equipment. (IRLP Board) And I said what???s the difference in me using your >> equipment and cross-linking then using one board and one computer and doing >> it all on one device. >> And he quoted that hamvoip is not compatible.. >> >> So now I debate on whether to make a YouTube video or not. How to get your >> PGP keys working again. Grab the IRLP board take it outside lay it on the >> concrete and smash it with a hammer. I will never keep up on our IRLP ever >> again >> >> ???73 >> www.KE4GJG.com >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:12 PM "N3vsi via ARM-allstar-irlp" < >> arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org> wrote: >> >>> All about the BENJIMS >>> >>> Larry >>> >>> N3vsi >>> >>> On 1/15/20 5:28 PM, "Paul - KN2R via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: >>>> Agreed, and also how are some HamVoIP nodes that were bridging to >>> certain reflectors before for years, now after "The Purge", still allowed >>> to bridge once again? Did they pay more to buy their key back? Why are >>> they special? >>>> Select AllStar nodes can still bridge an IRLP Reflector to many AllStar >>> nodes, but a single IRLP node owner cannot bridge anything, one-on-one >> IRLP >>> only. Junk it, not needed anymore! >>>> Greatest thing is an AllStar IRLP node after "The Purge" still has >>> AllStar! No impact at all. >>>> The 100% IRLP compatibility was nice, for years actually, until they >>> targeted HamVoIP. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: ARM-allstar-irlp [mailto:arm-allstar-irlp-bounces at hamvoip.org] >> On >>> Behalf Of "wl7lp via ARM-allstar-irlp" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 2:35 AM >>>> To: arm-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >>>> Cc: wl7lp >>>> Subject: Re: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP >> users >>>> What I'd like to know is why Hamvoip IRLP node was singled out and all >>> the ASL irlp bridged nodes are still up and running connected to IRLP >>> reflectors? >>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >>>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >>>> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >>> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >>> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >>> >> -- >> * Richard Hyde* >> >> * KE4GJG * >> * 606-260-9999* >> * London, KY 40741* >> _______________________________________________ >> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list >> ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org >> http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp >> > _______________________________________________ > ARM-allstar-irlp mailing list > ARM-allstar-irlp at hamvoip.org > http://lists.hamvoip.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/arm-allstar-irlp From wa3dsp at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 11:07:15 2020 From: wa3dsp at gmail.com (Doug Crompton) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 11:07:15 -0500 Subject: [Arm-allstar-irlp] Important Info for all Hamvoip IRLP users In-Reply-To: References: <20200114115953.EBC56A00149@newplesk.inttek.net> <032501d5cbf3$1f8bba40$5ea32ec0$@com> <835c3667-66c5-f8b0-e532-84f2face740c@n3vsi.com> <6e43c5d7-9b3a-d47c-49a5-24327f440d1b@myactv.net> Message-ID: Greg, I don't remember but I still have my IRLP build stuff from years ago out on the Internet. See - http://www.crompton.com/hamradio/irlp/PiIRLP.html You can see the COS light and it comes from the board so it must be there. *73 Doug* *WA3DSP* *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 10:04 AM Greg Thornwall wrote: > > > Is there a way to use a IRLP board for radio control in Allstar? COS/PTT? > > 73 Greg > > > On 1/20/20 1:30 AM, "Doug Crompton via ARM-allstar-irlp" wrote: > > BTW I put out a simple checklist of how to convert from a PiIRLP to > Hamvoip > > on the hamvoip.org website. It is really very easy. If you know IRLP > users > > who want to convert let them know. >